When catching my own Chokka,Worm, Mussel,Fish Bait

Walt

Sealiner
When catching my own Chokka,Worm, Mussel,Fish Bait,etc,I've had far more success than with bait purchases.I know where this bait comes from,straight out of the Sea, fresh!

With my fresh worm,or recently salted worm,I've recently caught Galjoen,Belman, White Stump,Steenbras,Blacktail,Hottentot,Steentjies,etc.

But have had very little success with Chokka,Fish Bait, over the last year as I haven't been able to catch these,and have had to rely on shops.Mussels?-haven't had any luck with this either as I haven't been able to dig any.

I've become friendly with those that either work in tackle shops or once did.My suspicions/fears were realized with research I personally conducted.

I asked different people in the know about the bait supply chain as I was concerned about too many middlemen,creating a delay in products reaching their destination culminating in products quality being affected,over time.

I was told by many that when bait gets collected at initial catcher by buyer,it gets collected in bulk,maybe frozen,or may lay around til collected by another link in chain,where it defrosts again,then maybe to Tackle shop,where it lays and defrosts again.

By my reference to 'Secrets of the Bait',there are obvious unknowns of where baits have been, how many times defrosted & frozen again,over & over every time it changes hands in the chain,or how many entities are involved in the process.

Bear in mind that packageing,packing in boxers,containers,still takes place,most times en route to tackle shop.We'll never know how many hands or how long process actually takes,or how old the bait actually is,even if dated according to batches.

This could be why so many complain about blanking these days.Anglers rely on  Tackle Shops,etc,and we're none the wiser wrt the bait chain.

I'm not trying to knock any particular Shops,suppliers,etc,as they also rely on the people/links in the chain.

I'm purely acknowledging a fact that anglers rely on bait to catch fish,but quality of baits can differ according to bait chain.And anglers aren't aware of the chain that bait often has to follow to get to the end user,the angler.

So,obviously if you can buy from a supplier who has no middlemen,and buys almost direct from fishing boats,the quality of your products will be far superior,will endure longer,and be more viable.

Ultimately this may show more fish dividends,which is what the anglers major objectives are.

Granted,these opinions are purely based on my observations and other anglers may have lots more luck than I do with purchased baits,or may have no choice like with Pilchards,etc.

But I'll stay with tried and tested bait that realizes better catches.Now to find some real fresh Chokka good enough for human consumption.Ocean Basket,LOL?

    
 

Marthin

Sealiner
Walt in some respects i fully agree with you. I fished at a certain spot one morning. Usual question upon arrival, "hoe lykie dinge??" Nah nothing going on. What u using?? Chokka, some fish came out early morning on chokka.

Same basic rig setup, but i had chokka in my little baitbucket that was caught at kalkbay by urs truely not 5 hours earlier....

First cast, chokka head and guts, 1 X undersize kob. Second cast, nevermind pure white chokka this stuff was still see through, 1 X just size kob. Guys around me, nadda. I made one more cast and then left very excited about my catch.

As far as pilchard, at a certain tackle shop i've been asked twice before if i'm going to unpack every box. I open all of them up until i'm happy with the content. Shiny silver bellies, any bit of brown, and it goes back in the freezer. No blood around the eyes or gills. If one in the box has any of this i don't take it. With this i've been able to on most occasions make flesh side out baits with completely defrosted pilchard.

That being said, some of the SSEC WC guys saw first hand that if you are casting frozen plichard, and another angler has fresh pilchard off the boat that has never seen a freezer, you won't get a bite, and they'll reel them in like they catching maasbanker on a yozuri rig. Some locals had this when we had our comp at Pearly Beach and apparantly it was unbelievable to witness.
 

Fluffy

Senior Member
Wouldnt mind to have my own boat.would get bait like crazy....so far we are left to rely on tackle shop...
 

Blueboy

New member
Valuable point made Walt.

Some bait products are just not up to it. Seen some pilchards, once defrosted, you can literally pour it onto your hook.

My 2 cents worth - If you are buying bait, look for branded products and rather pay that little extra for good quality bait than settle for a no name brand which might come cheaper. It wil cost you more in the long run.

If a SUPPLIER is prepared to put their name to their product, quality and freshness surely matters to them, otherwise they will only be shooting themselves in the foot.
 

Walt

Sealiner
Bought some Occie legs Monday.Won't say where,and when I got home they'd defrosted very slightly as i have a glove compt in car which keeps stuff cold via air conditioner.

Very handy for bait.Don't know if car warrants R209,000 price we paid for it,but would think at that price,there should be at least a facility to keep bait frozen,lol.

Anyway,So pulled legs out of tub,lots of ice,battled to bend legs,didn't quite need a crowbar,and individually packed tentacles,legs, so i can use it more than once and catch Cob more than twice,lol!

After freezing,I had the smell of old Occie under my nails for days,no matter what.Dettol,soap,nothing worked.This Occie was either museum status or caught by Rip van Winkel personally.

This occie made the streets of Bangkok smell like roses!
 

alwyn

Senior Member
When buying pilchards i also open the boxes and turn the frozen block upside down, if it has bloody frozen water at the bottom, dont buy.
 

Turns123

Senior Member
Not to punt any ones products or not - but I normally travel up the garden route for a fishing trip once a year. Instead of lugging bait with I get bait from a supplier in plett. (Barney)

Last year I went to Natures Valley where conditions were not ideal - water temp between 9 and 12 degrees...fishing was tough.

However using the quality chokka purchased I caught 5 adult sharks over a few days(3 smoothhounds and 2 spotted gullys) all between 15 and 18kgs - here is the funny thing - all caught within 1 - 3 mins of "fresh" bait being cast in...it was insane - just and indication of what quality fresh bait will do even in adverse conditions :)
 

Mouldz

Sealiner
no question,fishing the Kowie river for spotted grunter,our pilchard was not the best,hooked a small srepie,put a fillet on ,had a 4kg spottie in afew minutes,they were there but werent interested in old pillie.
 

Riaandl

Sealiner
That is the reason why we don't use pilchards anymore. Pike's and Red Eye are more the norm, the flesh is more firmer than pilchard. Taht being said the supplier we get it from usually sell good quality bait (at a price).

Still need to find a good chokka supplier.

Roland can you get us the address of your supplier? LOL
 
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