What Reel?

Blikkiesvis

Sealiner
Hi Guys!

I need you professional option, please.

Lets say I bought a new 14'6 (6oz) fishing rod and need to pair it with a new grinder. My two options are the new Shimano Spheros SWA 10 000 or the new Daiwa BG MQ 10 000.

Which reel would you choose and why?

Thanks so much, your opinions and comments are valued always!

Cheers

Blik
 

DJP

Sealiner
Both cost around R4000, for R900 more I would rather buy a Saragossa 10 000.

What about Penn, Okuma... spanners everywhere :)
 

willem wikkel spies

Moderator
Staff member
we just need to note, that Daiwa has now changed their reel size labels to correspond with Shimano.

The MQ range is brand new, but beware all is still not sorted, the 4000 spool is quite sharp and i suspect they might still work it down smooth.
it also has seals present in it which will protect more against splashes.
They do look good. The handle bling is too much for me, but thats just me, lol.

Gears inside should be the same as the bg range.

i would go for the MQ range of reels for now.

Shimano does have a parts supply problem.
and that is a fact!!
 

Blikkiesvis

Sealiner
@Dirk waar kry jy nog Gosas onder R5k? Ek sien my local vra al R7000😅 Okuma en Penn is net nie vir my (ek bedoel my vriend) ‘n opsie nie. Ons hou nie van sukkel nie😉

@WWW, Shimano having a parts problem is irrelevant since they don't break… having said that, everyone is struggling world wide in all industries with supply. “The one you write with” has had breaking and part supply problems since forever.

So, if you only had 2 options… Spheros or BG MQ?
 

DJP

Sealiner
Blikkiesvis wrote:
@Dirk waar kry jy nog Gosas onder R5k? Ek sien my local vra al R7000😅 Okuma en Penn is net nie vir my (ek bedoel my vriend) ‘n opsie nie. Ons hou nie van sukkel nie😉

@WWW, Shimano having a parts problem is irrelevant since they don't break… having said that, everyone is struggling world wide in all industries with supply. “The one you write with” has had breaking and part supply problems since forever.

So, if you only had 2 options… Spheros or BG MQ?

Vir katrolle kyk ek maar by Ganis en Bilimoria. Eersgenoemde het beste pryse en hulle lyk my het stock wat soms probleem is. Bilimoria is goed as jy bietjie onderhandel. Altwee goeie besigheids mense, weet hoe om produk te skyf. Ongelukkig nie altyd waar in kaap nie, hier speel hulle mos monopoly….
 

Fin-S

Sealiner
Pop into Somerset Sports and ask Rudi - pretty sure he will say BG.
I have just kitted our new charter boat with 4 BG MQ's and am very happy. Dealer also offered a 12 month commercial warranty - Shimano ignored the request on Stella's and Saragosa's.

Also saying Shimano does not break is not my experience. Last year 1x Stella 18k, 1 x Gosa 20k, 1 x 6k, 1 x Stradic 8k all failed. Seized, broken handles, broken drag stacks. 2 are still waiting for parts. Not as bad as Penn in my experience but not 100%.
 

Marthin

Sealiner
Blikkies whatever jy kies ek sou soos dirk se Billimoria probeer vir prys... ek het al alles van katrolle tot braid van daar af gekry en selfs met courier costs is dit heelwat cheaper as enige iets in die kaap. Koop net terminal tackle hier, enige iets duurder kry ek van daar af.
 

willem wikkel spies

Moderator
Staff member
Blikkiesvis wrote:
@Dirk waar kry jy nog Gosas onder R5k? Ek sien my local vra al R7000😅 Okuma en Penn is net nie vir my (ek bedoel my vriend) ‘n opsie nie. Ons hou nie van sukkel nie😉

@WWW, Shimano having a parts problem is irrelevant since they don't break… having said that, everyone is struggling world wide in all industries with supply. “The one you write with” has had breaking and part supply problems since forever.

So, if you only had 2 options… Spheros or BG MQ?

All reels break yes we agree.
We know reels also work out, pinion gears, drive gears.
the question is, do you really want to wait for parts?

BG Mq might be the new route to go.

better yet, just get multipliers!!!

Just go have fun, enjoy it all
 

Blikkiesvis

Sealiner
Its heating up!

@Dirk & Martin, ek het alweer vergeet van Ganis & Billmoria, hul pryse is baie goed. Dink jy moet R250 bysit vir shipping, maar soos Martin sê dis nogsteeds goedkoper as die "locals". Meeste mense is darem onderhanderlbaar en as jy vir hul vra of hul 'n ander ou se prys sal "match" is hul gewoonlik nie te hardegat nie.

@Fin-S, ja Rudy does love his MQ! I've never broken a Shimano, but then I only fish for edibles every now and again and my tackle doesn't take to much strain. I have broken a couple of Penn reels though... and after waiting more than 4 months, we had to strip brand new reels for parts!

@WWW, multiplier... Ek sê dan ek wil nie sukkel nie ;)
 

Fly-aholic

New member
Blikkiesvis wrote:
Hi Guys!

I need you professional option, please.

Lets say I bought a new 14'6 (6oz) fishing rod and need to pair it with a new grinder. My two options are the new Shimano Spheros SWA 10 000 or the new Daiwa BG MQ 10 000.

Which reel would you choose and why?

Thanks so much, your opinions and comments are valued always!

Cheers

Alweer 'n nuwe stok en katrol, tackle slet

Blik
;);)
 

Tackle-holic

Sealiner
Regarding the BG MQ: ask your tackle dealer how they plan on opening the reel for a service.

They cannot; for now at least, it HAS to go to the Kingfisher to be opened, just like ANY of Daiwa's MQ design reels.

Tools are not available for purchase.
 

Ben REINERS

Sealiner
Staff member
Blikkiesvis wrote:
Hi Guys!

I need you professional option, please.

Lets say I bought a new 14'6 (6oz) fishing rod and need to pair it with a new grinder. My two options are the new Shimano Spheros SWA 10 000 or the new Daiwa BG MQ 10 000.

Which reel would you choose and why?

Thanks so much, your opinions and comments are valued always!

Cheers

Blik

Blikkies......koop beide dan doen jy n "field test" & gee almal n review op jou ervaring.....verkoop die 2de keuse daarna vir n "shopsoiled" prys.:fbash
 

Pylstert

Sealiner
Tackle-holic wrote:
Regarding the BG MQ: ask your tackle dealer how they plan on opening the reel for a service.

They cannot; for now at least, it HAS to go to the Kingfisher to be opened, just like ANY of Daiwa's MQ design reels.

Tools are not available for purchase.

That sounds like a fail like they are going back to the old magseal problem
 

DJP

Sealiner
There is something to be said for tried and tested. I personally think that the technology for grinders are going the wrong way, at least so for the South African consumer. Will be great if we get a local reel manufacturer that can build proper long cast surf reels akin to the Van Staals... looking at what people are spending on stellas and saltigas I'm sure there must be a market.
 

Pylstert

Sealiner
Good point a salwater grinder should be designed with ease and effeciency of long distance casting of braid in mind be that off a boat or shore otherwise you may as well use a multiplier
 

MrFisha

Member
Agree. Grinders should be made to be serviceable if one have the appetite to self-service.

That's been the issue with mag-seal, special oil / service, need to be sent to agents.

Reason for going Daiwa BG (2016) & Spinfisher VI - Suited for Rock&Surf, easy to self-service, etc. (youtube guides and forum guides are a great start).

Also BigBoss III and some of Okuma grinders also suited for R&S without breaking the bank.
 
DJP wrote:
There is something to be said for tried and tested. I personally think that the technology for grinders are going the wrong way, at least so for the South African consumer. Will be great if we get a local reel manufacturer that can build proper long cast surf reels akin to the Van Staals... looking at what people are spending on stellas and saltigas I'm sure there must be a market.

I agree completely. I would also like to see a local manufacturer designs something like the van staal which is extremely robust, and even better yet.........an absolute breeze to service.
All bearings should be standard metric sizes, as well as all bolts and screws. So any bolt or screw should be available from your local Nut&bolt shop

Personally, a smooth reel is very nice, but if you fish your reels hard (read submerging then alot) Id rather have something less smooth but robust. Would even go as far as saying the handle knob should have bushes and not bearings. After a days fishing you should be able to clean the reel with a pressure washer and call it good. Once a year quickly replace all the bearings and be good for another year.

Also, what drives me nuts, is these tiny phillips screws which strips all the time. I slotted screw lasts longer
 

DJP

Sealiner
Completely derailed Blikkiesvis post but I think he will be getting the Saragossa's ;)

I have put copper bushes in my Shimano Speedmaster as well as Vesconite bush in my KP, Hakuna matata... the KP just doesn't cast as well but for my application 20-30m is ok. Now just waiting for summer...
 

Blikkiesvis

Sealiner
Not derailed at all, this is how we roll...


Ok ok, I will confess... I own both, a Daiwa BG MQ 8000 (The American BG-Big Game, the black & silver one, as well as a Shimano Spheros SWA 8000 and have fished both and have an informed opinion of my own.

I just wanted to know your trusted opinion because I was trying to convince a buddy of mine to get a Spheros and was thinking/hoping that your opinion would support mine. However because both reels are quite knew I don't think there is a lot of people that have fished them extensively so they can give their 2 cents.

Here is my observations. Both are excellent reels!

The MQ does require a special tool to open up the reel to service it which is actually ridiculous. I sometimes think that Daiwa wants to be a service company and not a reel manufacturer. However it has a lot of cracking power and a super smooth drag. I just wish that they made the drag clicker more noisy, you can hardly hear the bloody thing. Its a pretty but tough reel. If you fish this reel it will make the brunettes turn their heads. Expect to pay upwards of R3500

The Daiwa Spheros is basically a dark navy blackish version of the previous model Saragosa. Its super smooth and also have good cracking power. This is a robust reel that will land any edible fish with ease. The drag is not as smooth as the Saragosas but the clicker is a proper screamer, almost as load as a Night Hawk. Probably the best value for money reel in the R3500+ bracket. This beauty will make the blonds turn. Expect to pay upwards of R3500

Now, the two abovementioned reels are good, but they are not great! There is a word synonymous with greatness, a name that echo's the same fear as "Mufasa"... Say it again, say it again... "SARAGOSA"!

At R5000 it is not a cheap reel any more. But the extra R1500 is worth every sent. I don't mean to be name droppin here (but we are pen pals), Sir Alan Hawk himself gave the Gosa a 85 (Out of 100) rating. The Stella SW got 83 and indecently the Spheros SWA mentioned above got 79.

There is one thing that irritates me, and maybe its just me but the reel seems to have a slight wobble when you reel it. It is almost as if the bail arm is not balanced. I have felt it in the previous Gosa as well as the Twin Power, don't know maybe its just me. But that's the only bad thing I can say.

Its as smooth as butter and as strong as Russian Royal Vodka. The drag is as smooth as can be and as load as a pig being castrated. It is a gorgeous reel that is every bit as tough as a Stella. The reel makes the redheads weak in the knees. Be prepared for puppy eye looks... from your fishing buddys!

@Dirk jy het my... Ek het Gosas gekry :)
 

Fly-aholic

New member
Blik
I have been fishing the 'old ugly' black and silver Spheros 10'000 for years now. Using an 8'000 spool for edibles and a 10'000 spool for non-edds.
I have fished it hard and have serviced it myself. I cannot fault the reel at all, admittedly I do not dunk the reel.
I am however very poor at servicing the reel and every time it is ready to go. Ugly as hell, but performs every time you to take it for a cast.
Considering that I swop spools for winter and summer fishing, this reel is fished more than your standard reel being used for summer and winter fishing. I also fish 50 pound braid for winter fishing and Gallies. With 50 pound braid and getting stuck frequently, the reel has not given me any issues.
I am quite happy with the reel and servicing(when done) is very simple.
 
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