What make's a expert R&S angler?

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JJ Pienaar

Sealiner
Most of us will agree that a allround knolege and allround skil's is vital...
Heavy, light tackle, edible and non edible but why do we still think that a person that can target huge non edible's are better angler's? To me a guy that can succesfuly target big edible's frm the surf is a better angler in my eye's...

I my self mostly like targeting big flatfish and have landed a few big specimen's but targeting specie's like bronz bream and stumpie's, pompano is a joll and skillful....
Haveing a allround ability make's a better angler and improving on those skill's are important...

Even artlure and bait angling the more u master the better u will do...
For Comp angler's this is realy important but for us social angler's we compeat against our self for PB...

I'd like to finish off with a questione once again and ask how many fasits of angling have u practise'd and master'd ?
 
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Flip Beukes

Senior Member
JJ this is going to be a nice tread.
I do Kitefishing, sharkfishing, edibles, flyfishing, both salt and fresh water. Rock and surf still is my favourite. Scratching when nothing else is cooking or big baits slid out for a shark doesnt matter as long as i can fish!! But boy a Biiiiig shark on the kite does take the cake! As long as i enjoy what i am doing i am happy!
 
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roland

Sealiner
umh, hope this is relevant, se.tvl junior angling colours (freshwater)


otherwise none really, cept for myself targeting a certain specie and eventually came out on top lol
 
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tremosso

Senior Member
My problem is deciding how and what I'll be fishing the next weekend. If I'm better than others is the least I worry about, all that is important is having a rod in my hands and looking at the water, fresh or salt.

Fly fishing, trolling, jigging, spinning, dropshot, spearfishing, surfcasting, crayfishing, I've tried almost everything with more or less success. I'm still improving in every of those techniques and that is the beauty of it.

I'm thinking of targeting billfish next year also but the passion is for angling in general.

Your last question JJ is not about the topic itself. I mean I found it more interesting than your topic...
 
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Brands734

Member
Many provincial anglers are quick to suggest that south africa's provincial angling members are some of the best in the south africa, and this may very well be the case however, with economical struggles as we are in today some people can not afford to register under sasaa, i am a a provincal angler my self and to tell you that it cost's roughly R1000 to just register with sasaa and with a club before you even start fishing, thats basicly the price of a torium, my point is that i have fished some brilliant anglers that are not in the provincal scene,

to me, a expert angler shouldnt just be able to catch a 200kg zambi or a 50 kg kob, or a 1kg black tail it's about being able to catch what is biting on the day regardless of the weather or the state of the sea. And the anglers that can do that are the anglers come out tops in the end

my 2c
 
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strandloper

Senior Member
R&S (eds and in-eds), artlure (dropshot, spinning, plugging), flysfishing (fresh and salt), traditional freshwater (carp), off shore (ski boat), bass.

Have not mastered any of these, but continually concentrate on improving techniques (casting, bait presentation, reading the water)
 
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JJ Pienaar

Sealiner
Brands734 wrote:
Many provincial anglers are quick to suggest that south africa's provincial angling members are some of the best in the south africa, and this may very well be the case however, with economical struggles as we are in today some people can not afford to register under sasaa, i am a a provincal angler my self and to tell you that it cost's roughly R1000 to just register with sasaa and with a club before you even start fishing, thats basicly the price of a torium, my point is that i have fished some brilliant anglers that are not in the provincal scene,

to me, a expert angler shouldnt just be able to catch a 200kg zambi or a 50 kg kob, or a 1kg black tail it's about being able to catch what is biting on the day regardless of the weather or the state of the sea. And the anglers that can do that are the anglers come out tops in the end

my 2c
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i like this point= fish for what's biting, as i do it alot when condition's dont go to plan ...

I was look at in a funny way by guy's out on the water on my ski, the fishing was realy bad and i was hiting the salad fish (Scomberoides Tala) on my light bass rig chuking a small sprat spoon for them and the flick's small piece's of jap mackrel at them...

They are not edible in any way but honing your skill's on any fish that's biting at that time is not only fun but add's to experinse...

Like Roland geting grunter on bait @ Roland have u ever try'd geting grunter frm the Stoep on dropshot?
I have caught grunter on fly,bait and dropshot and it's a challenge of note especialy fly....
 
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andrewrat

Member
I think to become an expert angler, you always need to be willing to learn from others no matter how old or young. The moment you feel that you know everything you should sell your tackle because there is always room for improvement. I, for one, am always stealing with my eyes and that has made me a much better angler.
 
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Feesh

Senior Member
In my 9 years of competitive angling I have seen all sorts of anglers from hoeners to springboks and a couple of things are clear.

:thirdSome guys like me need to practise, and learn and dream and work at it to get better.

:secThen you get guys that from a young age was taught the right way.

:firstand then you get the guys who just have it naturally in them, they can put sh*t on the hook and still outfish everyone else (and I am not talking about luck)

if you know someone like that you will know what I mean::jdfis
 
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TOE 007

Sealiner
this is a very intresting thread !!!!!!!!11


i would say adaptability is very important , i have fished the past 20 od years , and i am still not good ! or good enough , I KEEP ON LEARNING , willingness to learn and listen .
 
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kitefisher

Sealiner
JJ a couple of years back I was at a clinic presented by Corrie Groenewald  and Wally Watt,now if I stretch my memory a bit beyond 10 years I recall them saying the following.

A Good angler:

Can read water well,

Knows what species to target in the given water conditions.and have the correct tackle for it.

Knows what baits the target species prefer in the given water conditions.

Can prepare a bait well for intended species,

Can get his bait out to intended area,by casting or wading and casting.

Knows the bite/pick-up of his quarry. 

Can play ,and most importantly LAND the hooked fish, irrespective of the time it takes to safely do so.(no fish no points) I can specifically recall one of them saying that there's no points for getting the fish to the side in record time and then having a hook pull or breakage due to the fish being to green.

Like I said ,this was a long time ago,but most of it still hold true today,irrespective of social or competitive angling.

Cheers

 
 
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Upcoming Star

Sealiner
few weeks back was fishing for in eds... and some fellow anglers were also on the same mission, but that is the ONLY mission they know (my assumption from what they were chirping) point being- landing big in eds doesnt make you an expert, as is the common trend and frame of mind of guys out there today... i'd say an expert is one that can adapt to the conditions and land whatever's biting in all conditions 
 
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Noweeds

Sealiner
Of course catching big non-eds does not make you and expert rock and surf angler...it makes you an expert non-ed angler. The bottom line is you cannot call yourself an expert angler unless you can catch what is in front of you! I've caught one or two nice non-eds but spent this afternoon hammering the bass on UL tackle! What a joll. It about being able to see whats going on around you wether its salt or fresh water and then do the calculations necessary to catch a fish! It's also maybe quite a good thing to be a little competative and always try outfish those around you. I have personally had SERIOUS competitions (in my head) against 8 or 9 year olds on a local jetty when they caught too many 10cm mullet while sitting next to me.....i don't like people next to me catching more fish!!.........I completely hammered those little b@stards in the end by the way!! haha
 
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Simen

Sealiner
kitefisher wrote:
JJ a couple of years back I was at a clinic presented by Corrie Groenewald  and Wally Watt,now if I stretch my memory a bit beyond 10 years I recall them saying the following.

A Good angler:

Can read water well,

Knows what species to target in the given water conditions.and have the correct tackle for it.

Knows what baits the target species prefer in the given water conditions.

Can prepare a bait well for intended species,

Can get his bait out to intended area,by casting or wading and casting.

Knows the bite/pick-up of his quarry. 

Can play ,and most importantly LAND the hooked fish, irrespective of the time it takes to safely do so.(no fish no points)I can specifically recall one of them saying that there;s no points for getting the fish to the side in record time and then having a hook pull or breakage due to the fish being to green.

Like I said ,this was a long time ago,but most of it still hold true today,irrespective of social or copetitive angling.

Cheers

 
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True words
 
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khalaharikid

Sealiner
Simen wrote:
kitefisher wrote:
JJ a couple of years back I was at a clinic presented by Corrie Groenewald  and Wally Watt,now if I stretch my memory a bit beyond 10 years I recall them saying the following.

A Good angler:

Can read water well,

Knows what species to target in the given water conditions.and have the correct tackle for it.

Knows what baits the target species prefer in the given water conditions.

Can prepare a bait well for intended species,

Can get his bait out to intended area,by casting or wading and casting.

Knows the bite/pick-up of his quarry. 

Can play ,and most importantly LAND the hooked fish, irrespective of the time it takes to safely do so.(no fish no points)I can specifically recall one of them saying that there;s no points for getting the fish to the side in record time and then having a hook pull or breakage due to the fish being to green.

Like I said ,this was a long time ago,but most of it still hold true today,irrespective of social or copetitive angling.

Cheers

 
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If everyone takes the above advise, and puts those words into practice they will double there catches and be more consistant, it has taken me 4 years to start putting the above advise into practice and slowly the species count has grown and number of lost fish has declined. best advice you can ever get is the above .
 
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Catch 22

Senior Member
Nobody has yet come to understand fish behaviour 100%. Fish is like woman, you think you know, the flowers work 90% of the time and jewelery is something most of them are very fond of but no matter how much they are pampered they are gonna have moods you dont understand, kk you out unexpectedly etc etc, so sure, fish do have patterns, they do favour a certain bait in certain conditions and the combination of myths and facts on fishing does make certain anglers better than others based on their understanding thereoff,understanding of the tools you use ie reels,line,hooks etc and the handling thereoff does make the difference, but show me the man that understands fish behaviour 100 %, no ways man.

Someone in this thread said the man who is prepared to always learn something new....thats soooo true.. Like an old springbok angler, winner of the SA masters and a whole big list of achievements always says, "as jy dink jy weet alles moet jy maar weer mooi gaan dink"

So to me the word "expert fisherman" should rather read "experienced fisherman"

The nice thing about all this is apart from the huge amount of knowlege one can learn from the experienced guys, there is always something they,however small it may be,can learn from the less experienced guys.

I have caught fish in conditions that goes against every rule in the book, and have not had a single bite in perfect conditions, never a dull moment!

And to be honest, I reckon if I should ever become an "expert fisherman" that understands fishing so well that the sport changes from a challenge to a given, I would become so very bored!
 
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kitefisher

Sealiner
Catch 22 wrote:
I have caught fish in conditions that goes against every rule in the book, and have not had a single bite in perfect conditions, never a dull moment!

And to be honest, I reckon if I should ever become an "expert fisherman" that understands fishing so well that the sport changes from a challenge to a given, I would become so very bored!
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Too True.
 
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