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MadCarper

Sealiner
That sounds bad! One of my favourite dams to fish, been fishing there for years!!! Question is, was it at the dam itself, or in the township???
 
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-dave

New member
Wasn't at the dam, but in the area -> http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Cops-probe-Shongweni-massacre-20101026
 
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cranky

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ECR Newswatch

Police investigate Shongweni massacre
26 October 2010 - 10:43
By Thrishni Subramoney
The Hawks are investigating the massacre of six people in the Shongweni area - west of Durban.

Five members of the same family, including two children, were gunned down in their home near Bhusha last night.

A sixth person was shot and killed in another house nearby, while his pregnant partner was wounded and is now in hospital.

An elderly woman, wrapped in a blanket, is crying outside the two-roomed house where five members of the same family were killed.

Police say gunmen stormed into this home last night  and shot dead a two-year-old and an eight-year-old, along with their mother and their grandmother in a small bedroom.

A teenage son who tried to escape was shot outside.

A short distance away, a young man was killed and a thirteen-year-old raped.

The police say they're not certain the incidents are linked and the motives are still not clear but they're optimistic that the Hawks will make a breakthrough soon.

just another 7 people murdered and a 13 year old raped in the location shouldnt affect the fishing....eeeeish...at least the dam is still safe...back to fishing as usual...this is just so typical of south africa...
 
my neighbours were both murdered in their house a couple months ago...everyone has already forgotten about it...dont even lock the gate anymore it like just another day in africa...you gotta love living in this beutiful country...
 
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MadCarper

Sealiner
What is "shocking" is the fact that this sort of thing is not even shocking anymore. Regardless of colour, its still people that were massacred. This country is *****d up!!!!! No other words to describe it!

Is the dam really that safe? what protection will you have when 5 gunmen come into the camping area? makes one think hey.
 
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thika

Sealiner
".....just another 7 people murdered and a 13 year old raped in the location shouldnt affect the fishing....eeeeish...at least the dam is still safe...back to fishing as usual...this is just so typical of south africa...
 
my neighbours were both murdered in their house a couple months ago...everyone has already forgotten about it...dont even lock the gate anymore it like just another day in africa...you gotta love living in this beutiful country..."

 

What are trying to say CRANKY?
 
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cranky

Senior Member
matium wrote:
...africa is not for sissies!!!!
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and yet we hide like sissies in our houses...with barb wire fences...big dogs...alarm systems...security gates...while other people are being attacked...raped and robbed....and the most common sentence i hear when this happens....oooooh we dont want to get involved...i have tro protect my family blah blah blah ...you are not protecting your family by hiding in your house while your neighbour is being attacked...they will be back for your family soon.

the only way we are going overcome the crime problem in this country is by sticking together and helping each other...the more you get involved in community policing the less the crime in your area...you cannot rely on the sap or the armed response companies they take tooo llong to respond...this a a fact...when your neigbour is being robbed make sure you all have whistles...the sound of an alarm siren has become such a common sound that people dont worry about them anymore...get involved and help each other.

this is just my view on the matter you are entitled to your own...if you have a better suggestion lets hear it...but lets stop talking about it and sending emails it doesnt help the problem....you actually have to do something about it and get involved...you could be next.
 
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pjjdp

New member
Yes, apparently it's in one of those side roads just outside the dam entrance. We have camped there many times the last couple of months and had no problems at all. We even support the Tavern just outside the gate.
I'm sure it was not just some random killing, IMO, it was planned
 
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PH

Senior Member
We have a SMS system in our community. If anything suspisious is happening in the area a quick SMS sends notices out to all neighbours as well as the SAPS station commander.

Also used for, eg "Away for the week-end", It's a new system and we'll see how it works.

 
 
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Fanie

Sealiner
Cellphones around here doesn't work when you need it the most.

In my opinion life is not life if you have to live with a sword over your head all the time. There's a 50% chance that if we leave here they're going to plunder the place.

What have one to look foreward to...
 
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thika

Sealiner
Cranky,

Please, this is NOT personal, kay?

But being a sissy is not the point here

The point  being that as the male in your household you assume responsibility for their wellbeing and safety

Normally women and kids look up to us to do just that

So to not lock your gates anymore and take the little ones and wifey camping at that dam is not on...not anymore

Also being glib about it is not on..too many people sorry today about things they took on themselves and can never apologise because you cant talk to the dead

Thats the point...macho is good if you are sure you can handle things when they go horribly wrong

Otherwise it is arrogant and dumb
 
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cranky

Senior Member
i have learnt not to get personal on websites...just frustrated with the crime in this country...from goverment all the way down to petty crime.

i dont go out my house anymore...i stopped helping other people in the area because i was always the only one...people pull the curtain to the side and peep...even the people getting robbed the last time would not help so i have taken precautions to protect my family and dont get involved...as my wife said what if something happens to you who will look after her and the kids...

i have since moved to a new area and my new neighbours where killed a couple of months ago...it was in the highway mail the strangling and stabbing incident...all the other nieghbours have all had robberies or attempted robberies...lack of communication...the people across the road moved in at the begining of the year got robbed 3 times and already sold and moved. 
 
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thika

Sealiner
Strength to you Cranky...

I locked up my farm and drove off, 15 months ago

Still there...I farm on my cellphone

Why you think I live in the sticks now?

40 Whites

I still lock my doors at sunset, but decided I will rather loose my property before I loose my life...that's it

My dogs don't get stoned into submission or poisoned anymore...I don't have to shoot my own house windows out from the inside anymore and have gunbattles....I have started sleeping again

I had one of the best Guesthouse and Backpackers accommodation in Mpumalanga on my farm...3 incidents a week on vehicles wharra wharra...when they started gunwhipping the customers I closed it down...now rotting away :(

Thats it...NO more!

I used to drive into my farm with my piece on my lap even in daylight stupid!

 

We could never walk around anymore on our own property...eyes all over

People in town cannot braai anymore in their garden lapas...AK 47's jumping over the walls...normally 6 or more

Stupid

 

 

 
 
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Fanie

Sealiner
Friend of mine from eastern transvaal used to look at me funny like when I complained about how it is here. They're here for a week on family business and now they're complaining about how bad it is ! Just as you say, nightly gun battles - and this is supposed to be a quiet neighbourhood.

Oh well, seems most people are happy with things the way they are. Every time you speak your mind there's a bunch that dirty themselves and indirectly protect those responsible.

Only one solution - leave and live in another country, figgin anywhere. Eight m i l l i o n other south africans already left. Nowhere is as bad as here.
 
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cranky

Senior Member
spent almost 20 months on the border from november 1983 till end of june 1985...10months in angola and all the time we were told it was to prevent the country turning out like it is...turned 18 in the bush...spent my entire 18th  year of my life in the bush and had my 19 birthday in the bush...only got to come home after 14 months in the bush for the first time...what a waste of my youth...six months after completing my national service i was called up to start 3 month camps...and i hear some people talk of how they spent their time during the "struggle" in the trenches living in the USA getting degrees etc shame my hearth bleeds for them...as did the 10 bodies we took out the ratel after getting stuck on a tree stump in the open with nowhere to go...let me rather stop right here...i could have been drinking and wasting my life on women and booze instead.

this is depressing lets get back to fishing talk rather.:wfish

 

 
 
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matium

New member
...dont be fooled. the grass isnt always greener. take london/england, there are gangs on every street, kids stabbing eachother. the poms have absolutely NO respect or manners. or lets take oz, the violence in schools? the crazy amount of drug addicts? a mate of mine was watching some show on satelite,brisbane, i thnk he said-the police come early in the morning to clean the beach of needles before the public get there. every country has its shit-the media only shows you what you want to see. even a 3 week holiday doesnt do a place justice.

cranky, like you say, if evryone had eachothers back-things would be heaps better.

you are a result of your choices, make the choice to make a difference.

if things carry on the way they are,those responsible for all the "drug related" killings in shongweni will wipe their own nation out-lets pray
 
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cranky

Senior Member
i spent a couple of hours at shongweni this afternoon...i have to give these people credit they sure know how to spend our tax money on fancy cars and parties...there must have been  acouple of million rands worth of cars  cruising the reserve each  with the music loader than the one in front and yet you could still hear each person talking to the other...

so much for spending a quiet afternoon in a nature reserve...i thought there were signs indicating no load music or drinking in msinsi reserves...but clearly the rules dont apply to the local population nor doest the entrance fee...that must be what we pay the extra R5 for when you pay cash.
 
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