trini/torium drag stack

Whaler

Whaler

Sealiner
A while back we had a "8 pager" about weather the thickness of the washer below the drive gear made a difference or not, well hear is the evidence every body was looking for, i stumbled on it by accident while servicing a tn 20 and a DC 20.

As usual i strip all the reels and wash all the parts before i asemble, the tn20

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the tn 20DC

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By chance i noticed the drag washer below the main gear on the tn 20 was smaller then the one on the tn 20DC, this made me remember the thread! i quikly pulled out my micrometer and measured the thicness of the 2 washers both were the same thickness.

Tn 20

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Tn 20 DC

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Look at the diameter diferense!



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So! my conclusion is that the thickness of the dragwasher is not the reason for the increased drag on the DC but the larger surfase area of the washer as the rest of the drag stack is identical, the diferense in the drag is 3kgs!!
 
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misguide

Senior Member
I agree with you on this Darius. The surface area will play a role - I dont see how the thickness could even come into effect. The bigger the surface area would mean more area for drag. It is the same as a thicker nylon having more drag in the water.
 
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Trophy

Sealiner
Hiya Guys,

Without doubt the surface area would be the single largest factor, but the thickness will play a part.

If you put a thinner washer you could max out the pressure on the thread of the star drag before putting max pressure down onto the stack. That would count for loss of drag.

Think about it in reverse by putting a washer that was too thick. The stack would become to compressed without even turning the star drag and you woud effectively produce more drag than what the reel can manage.

I have done this when cutting out my own leather drag washers where the leather used was to thick.
 
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Trophy

Sealiner
Whaler wrote:
Feesh ar Man wrote:
thanks Trophy, something to remember!

 
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I think the point Trophy was trying to make is that you shouldn't use leather...lol
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Ha Ha! Whaler...every chance you get!

What I was trying to say is that don't tinker with a reel unless you know what you are doing.

The last three reels I have 'serviced' and then had to fix was because the person did silly things putting the reel back together when they tried to service or 'beef' up a worn drag system. Stripping the star drag thread is common, damage to the drive shaft compression washers and bearing another...the list can go onto damaging the casing or frame in some cases.

If you mess up the anything along the drive shaft and drag stack you can put your reel under huge pressure and cause damage.

It's not as simple as cutting up an old leather shoe and making a drag washer from this! In most cases it's easier getting a set of smooth drag from Whaler and fitting these instead of trying to fashion a set of leather washers. 

 

 
 
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kevind0809

Sealiner
Hi All

Does anyone know, how can I get in touch with Whaler for some carbontex washers.
I sent him a few PM but did not get any responses.

Regards,
Kevin
 
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Craig Van der Poll

Sealiner
We operate on exactly that principal with our warp beams here in the plant Darius. beams are tensioned using cord and if you tension on a small diameter flange you must add more pressure to brake the beam. If the flange is a large diam you can use much less force. The other thing is that when using the larger diam to brake you also have a much smoother "let off".

FYI, the best product to use for braking and getting the smoothest possible let off on a beam is leather....no modern materials can come close!

FYI2, the drag on this new Penn is super smooth!
 
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kevind0809

Sealiner
Hey Craig

LOL......thanks for the info.

Would you know where I can get my hands on some leather drag washers for a torium 30.

Thanks
Kevin
 
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kevind0809

Sealiner
Hi Craig

Yes, I know. I am trying to get some upgrade drag washers for my torium, but can not seem to find any.

You you suggest a place or person to contact for the washers.

Kevin
 
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