Torium 30 upgrades

[Karma]

[color=#006600]Haggers[/color] wrote:

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote:

@ Haggers:

When expressing an opinion, try to ascertain the facts about the situation before villifying people you clearly have never engaged with.  If you wanted and understanding of why and how the False Bay boys operate, then you could ask in a much more appropriate way than to state comments like those highlighted above. There are many great clubs in the league of which False Bay ( I do not fish for them) is one and has a great history of developing anglers.  If you knew people like Franco and Willie you would not have penned such harsh comments about people you do not even know.  Try to ascertain the facts please as False Bay only have red eye on this site and he may miss it and then who defends the honour of the club?

@ Karma

This is a public forum, the intention of which is to express your opinion, not so?  I did my best to ascertain the facts and on the facts presented, that is the opinion I came up with - whether it was False bay or any other club.  I am not affiliated with any clubs so my comments are unbiased as they come .. As far as I understand club angling, it is about the team and not the individual but if you have 4 anglers from any club in a smash and they did not communicate that to the team then I deem that unsportmanslike ... It does not matter to me which club it is, finish kla, so Two oceans is just as guilty unless proven otherwise ofcourse! If there is politics like this is the sport, it is more reason for someone like me to rather not get involved ...

All of the above is offcourse my personal opinion, a right afforded me by the constitution ...

So tell me and I presume you fish for another club in the league, why wasnt your club at the smash?

Firstly, you have to understand that it was a postal and hence the right of every club to fish in a zone as they chose, which my club did and therefore not in the zone of the that particular smash.

You have to first ascertain the facts below slandering people which you patently did in your initial post.  That might be your democratic right, but do it without assumptions that False Bay did not inform their colleagues, which was patently not the case.  Your points on Two Oceans are moot as that was not the issue being raised.  Ad hominen attacks displays a lack of etiquette and does not bode well for fruitful discussion.  League/club angling is about the brotherhood of angling.  No organisation with 30-100 members will be devoid of "politics" are we have differing opinions on a number of issues.  However, the common bond allows us to look past certain things for the communal good.

My point is still that you have the right to make judgement calls, but when you slander people and sulley the reputations without a factual base, it is just in poor taste or maybe the exhuberance of youth without any reciprocal responsibilty.

ciao

 

 

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[color=#006600]Landy[/color] wrote:

Howzit Mike,

We've got alot of young guns coming through, so we're happy as we are - I was just stirring.

The last thing we want is club-hoppers however good they are - and no reference to anyone specific, but there were/are alot of them in the league.

If they don't get their way they want to join another club. Normally the guys who does the least, but talks the most and usually not a team player.

The members chose their committee/captain etc. they should respect their decisions even if its sometimes the wrong one.

If an angler has to take one for the team sometimes - so be it.

As I understand it you were 8 against 4 and still were beaten.

On another day things might have been different - eg Mnandi 19th Feb. - but that's fishing!

Hagger's - Cow corner is no secret. 

Verwoerd beach Betty's Bay - Section of beach on left hand corner just before the rocks and on the rocks.

Enjoy - personally I would rather catch bronzies.

You can always take a few hessian bags with and tie it to your line if the fish aren't biting - same fight.

Emily, moenie moan nie  - jy't dan 'n ordentlike bronzie gevang - nice! 

I never mentioned any of that did I ??? where you get your facts from boet ??? LOL you only know that you have become a true club when you have politics !!

 

[Haggers]

First a general comment and let me copy my statement here for ease of reference:

Seems like the 4 False bay club members were more selfish than the Two Oceans? or was it an elitist thing?

Firstly, I said "seems like" which obviously shows the uncertainty in my statement.  I think that is quite clear.  Then I used "more selfish" which shows that I think both teams were selfish but Falsebay were more so as, in my view, at least Two Oceans had 8 guys there ...

I think to rely on reputations rather than facts is incorrect.  If, as you said, the Falsebay guys did communicate the smash, then I will apologise for my comment.  But this does not make sense to me, I mean, imagine the smash being communicated to the rest of the False Bay team and them reckoning: "Nah, dont feel like the cow shark smash, I would rather blank here ..."?? C'mon!

Another thing, the words "more selfish" indicates that I felt both teams were selfish so the use of the term moot (generally meaning debatable) is incorrect!

Now to deal with your comments

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote:

Firstly, you have to understand that it was a postal and hence the right of every club to fish in a zone as they chose, which my club did and therefore not in the zone of the that particular smash.
 

Understood, but isnt it your intention to fish in a zone where there is a high likelihood of a smash?

[color=#006600][u]Karma[/u][/color] wrote:

You have to first ascertain the facts below slandering people which you patently did in your initial post.  That might be your democratic right, but do it without assumptions that False Bay did not inform their colleagues, which was patently not the case.  Your points on Two Oceans are moot as that was not the issue being raised.  Ad hominen attacks displays a lack of etiquette and does not bode well for fruitful discussion.  League/club angling is about the brotherhood of angling.  No organisation with 30-100 members will be devoid of "politics" are we have differing opinions on a number of issues.  However, the common bond allows us to look past certain things for the communal good.
 

I presume you meant blatantly. You are correct re: the facts if I got it wrong.  I relied on the facts in this thread and then gave my view.  Where you are incorrect is that I did in no way slander any particular person - I do not know anyone from the False Bay.  I can see that you have a legal background and therefore the use of latin (Ad hominen) and moot.  As previously mentioned, my comments were at the teams and therefore the use of the term Ad hominen (basically meaning a personal attack) is incorrect. 

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote:

... maybe the exhuberance of youth without any reciprocal responsibilty.

ciao

 

This comment of yours is hypocritical as it is Ad hominen and, as you said, displays a lack of etiquette and does not bode well for fruitful discussion.  So tell me Karma, on what basis did you come to that conclusion?

 

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[color=#006600]Haggers[/color] wrote:

First a general comment and let me copy my statement here for ease of reference:

Seems like the 4 False bay club members were more selfish than the Two Oceans? or was it an elitist thing?

Firstly, I said "seems like" which obviously shows the uncertainty in my statement.  I think that is quite clear.  Then I used "more selfish" which shows that I think both teams were selfish but Falsebay were more so as, in my view, at least Two Oceans had 8 guys there ...

I think to rely on reputations rather than facts is incorrect.  If, as you said, the Falsebay guys did communicate the smash, then I will apologise for my comment.  But this does not make sense to me, I mean, imagine the smash being communicated to the rest of the False Bay team and them reckoning: "Nah, dont feel like the cow shark smash, I would rather blank here ..."?? C'mon!

Another thing, the words "more selfish" indicates that I felt both teams were selfish so the use of the term moot (generally meaning debatable) is incorrect!

Now to deal with your comments

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote:

Firstly, you have to understand that it was a postal and hence the right of every club to fish in a zone as they chose, which my club did and therefore not in the zone of the that particular smash.
 

Understood, but isnt it your intention to fish in a zone where there is a high likelihood of a smash?

[color=#006600][u]Karma[/u][/color] wrote:

You have to first ascertain the facts below slandering people which you patently did in your initial post.  That might be your democratic right, but do it without assumptions that False Bay did not inform their colleagues, which was patently not the case.  Your points on Two Oceans are moot as that was not the issue being raised.  Ad hominen attacks displays a lack of etiquette and does not bode well for fruitful discussion.  League/club angling is about the brotherhood of angling.  No organisation with 30-100 members will be devoid of "politics" are we have differing opinions on a number of issues.  However, the common bond allows us to look past certain things for the communal good.
 

I presume you meant blatantly. You are correct re: the facts if I got it wrong.  I relied on the facts in this thread and then gave my view.  Where you are incorrect is that I did in no way slander any particular person - I do not know anyone from the False Bay.  I can see that you have a legal background and therefore the use of latin (Ad hominen) and moot.  As previously mentioned, my comments were at the teams and therefore the use of the term Ad hominen (basically meaning a personal attack) is incorrect. 

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote:

... maybe the exhuberance of youth without any reciprocal responsibilty.

ciao

 

This comment of yours is hypocritical as it is Ad hominen and, as you said, displays a lack of etiquette and does not bode well for fruitful discussion.  So tell me Karma, on what basis did you come to that conclusion?

Gordon Bennet !!! My latin sucks !!! I'm outta this one  

Landy you wanna share my spoon boet ???? :spite  :spite  :spite

 

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Sharing of spoons is unhygenic and should not be allowed on this forum.........

 

[Strepie]

This is beginning to look like a US President election! LOL.
Guys play nicely..... or else Mike will hurl his TATA at you!

 

[Karma]

Haggers, you have clearly misinterpreted my intention but let me take the time to clarify.  I am a chartered accountant by profession (do not practise) so little to no legal background for me.

The exuberance of youth have no reflection on your age, but you mentioned in earlier post that you were still in your early years in angling - hence that comment on angling youth.  Second part of the comment was directed at you not belonging to a club, hence no responsibility.  I do not know who you are so how can I logically make a claim with reference to you seeing that I am personally only 40 myself.  Maybe I should have clarified my position a lot clearer, but does not negate the point that you assumed they called no one and on that basis slandered them which, in my opinion, whichever way you cut it, is in poor taste.  Just a quote that I would like to share with you:

 

Occum's razor:  What is done with fewer assumptions is done in vain with more.  William of Occum

or

Steven Seagal in Under Siege II:  Assumption is the mother of all f...ups.

The point is not to debate you, but I feel strongly that many members of forum's (in general) act as de facto guardians of making comments using democracy and freedom of speech but do not try to assimilate the facts and then can claim that they used the "facts" to substantiate their points of view.  Where in the thread does it state that either Willie, Ian, Franco or Sakkie had NOT called on their colleagues to come to cow shark corner? 

 

 

[brendon muscat]

Do you boys need some boxing gloves?

 

[Landy]

Mike, first a spoon, then a plug - now you're scaring me!

What are they teaching you at T/Oceans mate?

 

 

 

[Haggers]

*yawwwwwwwwwwwn*

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote:

Haggers, you have clearly misinterpreted my intention but let me take the time to clarify.  I am a chartered accountant by profession (do not practise) so little to no legal background for me.

The exuberance of youth have no reflection on your age, but you mentioned in earlier post that you were still in your early years in angling - hence that comment on angling youth.  Second part of the comment was directed at you not belonging to a club, hence no responsibility.  I do not know who you are so how can I logically make a claim with reference to you seeing that I am personally only 40 myself.  Maybe I should have clarified my position a lot clearer, but does not negate the point that you assumed they called no one and on that basis slandered them which, in my opinion, whichever way you cut it, is in poor taste.  Just a quote that I would like to share with you:

 

Occum's razor:  What is done with fewer assumptions is done in vain with more.  William of Occum

or

Steven Seagal in Under Siege II:  Assumption is the mother of all f...ups.

 

Hi Karma

To be honest, I do not think your CA qualification nor the quotes mentioned adds any credibility to your argument.

Also, to now turn around, and try to explain your way out of what you said is futile.  Your statement is clear, no explanation needed. 

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote:

Maybe I should have clarified my position a lot clearer, but does not negate the point that you assumed they called no one and on that basis slandered them which, in my opinion, whichever way you cut it, is in poor taste.  Just a quote that I would like to share with you:

 

You are correct, I have collated my view based on what was said in this thread.  I am a logical person and it is a logical outcome that I believe no more anglers were told about the smash.  Expat confirmed this in a general sense ...

If you wish to look past the obvious, then so be it.   

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote: 
Where in the thread does it state that either Willie, Ian, Franco or Sakkie had NOT called on their colleagues to come to cow shark corner? 


I do not know who these people are but you clearly do.  As mentioned above, its a logical conclusion!

BTW: Who do you fish for?  I find it strange that you dont fish for Falsebay, yet you fight so strongly on their behalf but you have in no way defended Two oceans in the same vain?

[color=#006600]Karma[/color] wrote:

The point is not to debate you, but I feel strongly that many members of forum's (in general) act as de facto guardians of making comments using democracy and freedom of speech but do not try to assimilate the facts and then can claim that they used the "facts" to substantiate their points of view. 

I think this comment is unfair as it attacks many forumites not part of this debate.  Generalisations my friend is not good so I would steer clear of this.

I think you should allow every forum user their own point of view, nothwithstanding how it is articulated,  as to expect otherwise is silly.  This (point of view) is something that develops from many things like your upbringing, culture, etc and how you interpret the facts. 

A forum is here for exactly that reason: For everyone to make comments in terms of their point of view.

This is my last words on the topic.

Regards

Haggers

 

[Raggieman]

Mike just sit on the guys until they promise to play nicely


common we all love to fish

 

[Hooked]

SHHEEEESH , nither of yez is actually in 2oceans so drop it already.Things will be sorted out "in house" tomorrow.
When you have guys angling individually and for a team things are gonna get nasty.The big thing is how we settle the problems not the problems themselves.
Haggers and Karma ,CHILL

 

[The master assasin]

Its the behaviour off all you big babies here that is beginning to give club angling a poor outward view..if and if there are internal politics in a club then let them sort it out for themselves..let those who are not involved,not get involved

Tight lines everyone..

 

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The brighter side of club angling.Thought this was a pretty good pic taken at sats comp.

 

[Strepie]

Nice, where was this? Also when are you launching your imported equipment?

 

[Reefman]

Kewl photo Luca.

 

[Buckley]

WOW! this has been so exiting...

Dont need to watch `Law & Order` anymore!

 

[Whaler]

[color=#006600]Surfraider[/color] wrote:

Hello  everyone,

I've read on an old forum a while back that guys have there Torium 30 reels upgraded by replacing drag washers and a bearing....Is this correct?

 Can someone please educate me as to why this is done.

I mainly fish for edibles and am not sure if it is a must to have the reel "upgraded".
:spite
Surely I want to have performing to it optimum capability, but if the upgrade is not needed for edibles then I would not have it done...

 

Thanks

S.R.


See al the trouble you caused!!!Get rid of that torium and buy a trinidadHAHAHA:spite

 

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[color=#006600]Strepie[/color] wrote:

Nice, where was this? Also when are you launching your imported equipment?

a) Maccasar , spot called the cones

b) Very soon , waiting for one or two peeps to give me some feedback and for customs to finalise the import codes for some items.

 

[Surfraider]

Hey Whaler,

This made for some pretty interesting reading and a Trini is definatly on the cards as a second set-up in the future...but when I am a bit more experienced.

 

Took the reel out for a go at Strand in the rain on the low last night. What a piece of engineering...!!!

It performed extremely well. Did not catch much though, 3 (size) shad about 4 under sized( all released) and one sized dusky cob... but only because I was casting 40 - 50 meters further than usual... lots and lots of barbers and two 1 meter sandies...

Caught most of the fish on white mussle and sard&pike combo...