To develop, manufacture, distribute, sell and serv

Fishton

Sealiner
To develop, manufacture, distribute, sell and service a product (Fishfinder, GPS for example) you need the following:-

1.    Head Office for R & D
2.    Factory (manufacture)
3.    International Distribution and Service Centres (Europe and Asia for example)
4.    Local Distributors (Africa, Australia etc.)
5.    Local Dealers (boat builders, tackle shops etc.)
6.    Customers (You)

For customers within the country of manufacture it is just common sense that the product will be cheaper due to logistics.  These units will generally have a sticker on the box saying “For use in Americas only” for example.

Therefore the customer outside of the country of origin would have to ultimately end up paying for the international as well as local distribution centre services / staff.  Do not take these international distribution centres lightly, because this is big bucks to set up, and someone has to pay for it – the end customer (you).

If you buy your fishfinder here in South Africa, and something had to go wrong it, are you willing to not only pay for the shipping, but sit without your fishfinder / GPS for sometimes months at a time?  This is why the local distributor is so important, it is their job to either replace the unit immediately and carry this burden / cost, or give you a demo unit while yours is being repaired free of charge.  You are ultimately still paying for this service, but it was all built into the initial selling price.

All of a sudden there was the internet, and before long on-line shopping was the norm.  This meant that an end user could buy an item in a foreign country at the same price as a local in that country.  There is still the extra charge of shipping, duty and VAT, but it is still substantially cheaper – sometimes still half the cost.  What a bargain!

The only problem with this form of shopping, is if something went wrong with the item.  The cost to send it back, have it repaired, sit without the unit for months at a time and on the odd occasion the fault is not repaired, and the whole process needs to be repeated.  This scenario soon has customers back on the ‘Local is Lekker’ wagon.

International as well as local distributors have obviously been hurt by this on-line direct shopping, and that is why further hurdles, such as geofencing has been placed on items such as GPS’s.  This is an attempt to force the international buyers to go through their local suppliers.

So now the customer has made the decision to buy local so he can get local warranty / support, and accepts that he is going to pay for it.  He has one last ace up his sleeve, and that is to find it locally at the cheapest price possible.  We are all very familiar with the saying “Cut out the middle man”,  and this has many buyers going directly to the Local Distributor / Importer of the goods and trying to buy ‘direct’.  These ‘direct’ or ‘walk-in’ customers should then be referred to a dealer once a decision to buy has been made by the customer.  But if the Importer / Distributor’s policy is to sell directly to the public, then this should be at (mrp) minimum recommended price or retail.

For example, here is Lowrance SA’s retail price list:-

http://www.lowrance.co.za/content/view/72/56/
 

fishalitis

Senior Member
All well and fine but when the finder comes out the same factory with a different name on it through different local agents at half the price then one wonders how can a brand command such a price. Brand building costs money and its ultimately the consumer that pays for the name and the brand building exercise.
 

Fanie

Sealiner
Aye Fiston, we are aware of how it is done.
Do a lot of your equipment fail :-D

In every product range there are some pretty nice ones - the thing that chases the prices is every second month or so they chop an change and make new ones in new boxes and call it a 'new' model.

If you think what is involved in the development then you can understand whay these things are expensive, BUT if they let a product that is popular live longer then the cost of new development is not there and the price may come down quite a bit.

Most manufactureres manufacture these products so you have to take what you get. I have long ago already asked that these products have a video output - for one - so you can put your own display on it. If they don't have to rip because of the display and relevant components, the product can become a whole lot cheaper !

As for these equipments, the small screen ones are a real pain in the you-know-what. They can also use the same modest size dispay for all equipment.

Most equipment is also designed very user unfriendly, many functions that could be available for external use just isn't available. To name one, why isnt there for instance an analog output from your compass direction indicator, this will make it easy for auto steering for instance, or you can have a compass indicator elsewhere, it's just one more thing cluttering the miniature cell phone size displays.
 

miles

Sealiner
Hiya

Fishton, this is your line of business, so you are looking at it from the sellers perspective.

Lets look at it from the BUYERS perspective:

Let me start off by saying that LOWRANCE has a EXCELLENT reputation for customer service. I do not own any Lowrance products currently, but EVERYONE that i've spoken to, who does have lowrance products, RAVE about their customer support.

I'm a commercial, so having instruments that work is CRITICAL to my business. I use FURUNO echo sounders and so do most of the other commercials. PERTEC is the agency here in Cape Town and their service is simply appalling!!! Myself and a number of my commercial friends can vouch for 6-8 weeks turn-around time on repairs, with NO loan units being given!! And this all whilst they KNOW that we're commercials, who NEED their echo's to make a living.

I also use Garmin GPS/Plotters and have had some issues with my smaller hand held units, which was locally bought. Their back-up service was MUCH better than PERTEC's. My GPS would not switch on, was told its NOT fixable, but we can sell you a new one at a reduced price (which was STILL MORE EXPENSIVE than me buying a unit on the 'net!!)

So, with the LACK of customer services/back-up support, WHY should i pay DOUBLE the price for marine electronics in SA??? Shoddy service and poor back-up support is unfortunately the norm in SA, especially in the boating world...........

I've bought a few units from the USA and they generally take 5-10 days to get here. If you use a REPUTABLE company on the net, they will honour your warranty and you'll have your unit repaired and posted back to you QUICKER than what some of our local dealers would.......

Unfortunately, its very difficult for the local SA market to compete with the USA market. They have a MUCH larger customer base and sell MANY more units, which means a lower price. Coupled with our poor service in SA, it inevitable that internet sales will increase, especially with savings of up to 50%!!

Geofencing the units, as Lowrance has done is not such a bright idea!! This simply FORCES the buyers to buy Garmin/Furuno/Raymarine/Simrad/etc, which is use-able in all countries. The HUGE savings made by purchasing on the 'net is unfortunately a factor that is very difficult to ignore.
 

tkei

Sealiner
I fully agree with Miles re the huge saving being hard to ignore.
In 2007 after much shopping around I eventually bought 2 stand alone units from usa. saved a fortune.
after 1 yr the GPS packed up. eish. paid r350 to post to usa, 3weeks to get it back to my cousin in the usa and then sent back to us here. As the unit was replaced, customs kindly chartged us the import duty again as it wasnt the same serial number as what was sent out. Add r1k. Suddenly the saveing we had made was being eaten aweay very quickly. I bought a replacement unit as the new GPS was stolen and decided to pay the crazy sa price for a new lowrance for the back up. well stolen unit was found so now sit with a rubbish (IMO) HDS5m wioth a warrantee, but its never been used.
We are ripped off big time in sa. I am not saying its just Lowrance sa, pertec, Garmin etc. I think it could also be govt with import duties etc, but 10k saving on a 20k SA RRP unit will make people take the chance.
 

Fanie

Sealiner
Most sales is added a percentage to the bought value.

Just as an example -
The manufacturer makes it for R500 and his profit is say R150 the distributor adds 50% which comes to R750, then the retail adds his 50% and the cost is now R1125. An item worth R500 now cost R1150.

The manufacturer makes R150, the distributor R250 and the retailer gets R375. Who does the most work and who gets the most money.

Nobody says you have to add a percentage as a markup. The above is very conservative and the line of who gets is usually longer than in the example. Many who doesn't actually do something gets his cut - which btw is one of the reasons the USA is in the trouble it is in. Too many just get and doesn't add any value to it.

Another thing we westerners (for what that's worth in SA) must remember is that the Chinese are coming. My next electronic device for the boat will have a radio/Tv/DVD/USB/SD card/GPS/camera with video outputs. Cost is ~R2500. I have the smaller version without GPS already, I paid R1200 for it.
 

WLGELD

New member
Hi Fanie

Tell me where can i get hold of one of those gps/ff/dvd goodies?

if you don't want to make it too public you can buz me on 0713014535 please.

I need to replace mine.
 
Fanie wrote:
Most sales is added a percentage to the bought value.

Just as an example -
The manufacturer makes it for R500 and his profit is say R150 the distributor adds 50% which comes to R750, then the retail adds his 50% and the cost is now R1125. An item worth R500 now cost R1150.

The manufacturer makes R150, the distributor R250 and the retailer gets R375. Who does the most work and who gets the most money.

Nobody says you have to add a percentage as a markup. The above is very conservative and the line of who gets is usually longer than in the example. Many who doesn't actually do something gets his cut - which btw is one of the reasons the USA is in the trouble it is in. Too many just get and doesn't add any value to it.

Another thing we westerners (for what that's worth in SA) must remember is that the Chinese are coming. My next electronic device for the boat will have a radio/Tv/DVD/USB/SD card/GPS/camera with video outputs. Cost is ~R2500. I have the smaller version without GPS already, I paid R1200 for it.
Don't forget the manufacturer sells 1,000,000 units at R150 profit.
The distributor sells 100,000 at R250 profit.
The retailer sells 1000 units at R375 profit.

The big problem is we are all capitalists. Without the huge margins and American volumes, how can we afford the wonderful houses, boats and BMW's we have?
 

tkei

Sealiner
benniejordaan wrote:
The big problem is we are all capitalists. Without the huge margins and American volumes, how can we afford the wonderful houses, boats and BMW's we have?
Open a trust fund with you as the sole beneficiary and get your mates to pay cash int here for favours. Julius does it and look how he lives.
 

Foxhat

Senior Member
I'm after the Garmin Bluechart Navigation system that can be used on a home PC or laptop. Waypoints can be entered and checked against contoured maps, & routes plotted. fuel estimated and so on. My concern for purchasing internationally is that I need usage specific to South Africa and the various websites I have consulted are not clear regarding specifics. There is a program, SD card, and downloads as support, I think. Any advice would be welcome.
 
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