Testing abrasion of lines

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Sharky2

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A friend of mine showed me a way of testing the abrasive resistance of line.Use about 1m of line,tie the one end to the door handle and hold the other end in your hand(tighten the line),now take a piece of toilet paper folded 4 times and with even strokes rub the toilet paper up and down the line.you'll be amazed at how quickly the line breaks.

Do you guys think this is a good way of testing the line or a total waste of time?
 
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Mango

Sealiner
Sharky just a question how hot does the TP get

also what happens when this is done to braid as braid has very poor abrasion resitence .

Mono and heat are not friends at all check what happens to a knot when to much heat is applied by not wetting it when tightening.
 
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$harkBait1

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Sharky2 wrote:
A friend of mine showed me a way of testing the abrasive resistance of line.Use about 1m of line,tie the one end to the door handle and hold the other end in your hand(tighten the line),now take a piece of toilet paper folded 4 times and with even strokes rub the toilet paper up and down the line.you'll be amazed at how quickly the line breaks.

Do you guys think this is a good way of testing the line or a total waste of time?
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hennie papenfus gives a very good demo of this.check out his dvd:rock & surf angling for beginners! ENJOY!!!
 
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Sharky2

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@sharkbait,thanx will do.
@ mango,not very hot at all.it takes a few strokes for the line to break.I haven't tried it on braid,but will test it as soon as i get a chance.
 
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BigG

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I also have Hennie's DVD which illustrates this, i was dumb struck when i saw this, very interesting indeed
 
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Feesh

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As Mango said, the heat caused by friction will have this effect. Never have I come across a ball of toilet paper whilst fishing to cause a burn off like that!

In my opinion its a poor demonstration of an abrasion test!
 
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KLIPVIS

Sealiner
what does heat have to do with abrasion ! the toilet paper burns the line not rub it off.Hennie is a bad boy for giving that advice , if he did that.

my little test involve my teeth , you can clearly tell the diff when biting some line , DOUBLE X is hard and so far has never let me down.not saying line must be hard , but if you bite into line easy then that must tell you something.
 
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angler 1

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i tried T-line ans was very dissapointed so i tied a length on my garage door kept it as taught as possible then with a slider running through i pulled down on the slider and moved it repeatedly up and down till it broke T line lasted four strokes and KFGA 52 stroked with increased tension
 
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Trophy

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angler 1 wrote:
i tried T-line ans was very dissapointed so i tied a length on my garage door kept it as taught as possible then with a slider running through i pulled down on the slider and moved it repeatedly up and down till it broke T line lasted four strokes and KFGA 52 stroked with increased tension
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Hhhmmmm...Sounds like the test does work?

Abrasion is the process of scuffing, scratching, wearing down, marring, or rubbing away. It can be intentionally imposed in a controlled process using an abrasive. Abrasion can be an undesirable effect of exposure to normal use or exposure to the elements.

Abraison will cause heat...nothing you can do about that? I think the reason why T/paper is used is because you can apply a even force as the T/paper allows for a constant force.

If you used a stone, wood, fine sand paper...you could be inclined to be bais and apply different force onto your line of choice?

I think...stand corrected... that the T/paper test is a well adopted International STD for testing the abrasion resistance of various mono lines?

@feesh ar man...no T/paper in the Blue Horizen Bay waters...plenty floating around Brighton Pier! LoL

 
 
Marthin

Marthin

Sealiner
Don don't worry... there should be some great line available in cape town in the near future...

Anycase shocked my socks off when i saw a not so scientific abrasion test....
 
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Mango

Sealiner
ok so I did some test .

Lines used:

t-line .40 mm

KFGA .45 mm

Alpha Seagrand .50mm

t-line .80 mm leader

KF casting braid 13.6 kg  0.26mm

Process used:

suspended a 5lt tin of pain from rafters.Line length used 1.5 m with half hitch loop on both ends.

wit goud /tp/toilet paper  double ply some brand not sure was folded in 4 .

1 sheet used per test

line rub area a 10 cm stretch in the middle . up and down movement counted as 2 strokes.

Atached example off setup used
 

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Mango

Sealiner
Results:

t-line .40 mm 26 strokes before breaking
KFGA .45 mm 31 strokes before breaking
Alpha Seagrand .50mm 76 strokes before breaking
t-line .80 mm leader  stopped 101 strokes before breaking
KF casting braid 13.6 kg  0.26mm 210 strokes no breakages

Noted on the KFGA that my fingers started geting warm,when I got to the T-Line my fingers started to burn=HEAT.

changes the setup with the braid where I was forcing to get a angle in to the line while rubbing it ,after another 60 strokes I gave up as the braid cut in to the TP and my Nail.

 

Atached is the KFGA - T line and Alpha. check the pig tails on the line and fading in colour onthe t-line 

so personaly I dont think the TP test has any relavance to a line's abrasive resistance.If this was True the casting braid should have gone 1st.

 

cheers Mango
 

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Sharky2

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mango no I haven't done any more tests yet,busy planning a little hunting trip so that's first priority right now.
Will do some tests when I get back.
I think this method is a quick way to test abrasion but personally I don't think it's accurate enough.friction on the line in the water will not create the same heat,I'll rather consider using some grade of sandpaper and tie a piece of line under water,i think this will minimize the heat factor and the sandpaper will have the same effect as a rock in the water.
Just a idea...
 
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Mango

Sealiner
Hey Nakkie!!
I new that was going to happen!!
average speed for hand movement 10 cm of travel in a second.

@sharky2 first off enjoy the hunt and goodluck . Agreed the TP test is not worth much remember this is te results off the demo where TP was used and I argued that it is not worth much as tp generates heat and heat and mono does not go well together.also if the TP was relevant the braid would not have lasted like it did
 
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Mango

Sealiner
Sharky I agree that will be a more real world test but with the weather we have had in the EC my hands are not touching water soon.Maybe as a alternative to sand paper is a smal triangle file in the water but then again that will be more comparable to a fishes teeth.
 
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