Spinning - What I use and why I use it
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i have to ask.. whats your take on using trolling lures when spinning from shore.. looks like a trolling lure used in bottom lure photo under the ondas?
interested in a lure but its trolling with a huge bib with spinning version not available.. how will you use so a lure if you do
interested in a lure but its trolling with a huge bib with spinning version not available.. how will you use so a lure if you do
flippy wrote:
We have been doing it for years.
The small bib lures are "new"
Notice the weighted triangle hook, that's to add weight for casting.
In the past we used to wrap lead around the nose of the "trolling lure" to add weight for casting
Lead was also wrapped around the triangle hooks back in the day
Just make sure it's a sandy area that you are fishing otherwise you will lose alot of lures
The deeper diving lures will hit the bottom if it's very shallow, or, a few turns of the reel ... stop and let it return to the surface ... repeat the process
We have been doing it for years.
The small bib lures are "new"
Notice the weighted triangle hook, that's to add weight for casting.
In the past we used to wrap lead around the nose of the "trolling lure" to add weight for casting
Lead was also wrapped around the triangle hooks back in the day
Just make sure it's a sandy area that you are fishing otherwise you will lose alot of lures
The deeper diving lures will hit the bottom if it's very shallow, or, a few turns of the reel ... stop and let it return to the surface ... repeat the process
niice.. makes absolute sense & appreciate it
as you well know with lures its all about CADENCE and was not sure what action will be imparted to lure when surf fishing and not trolling a lure i would of thought designed only for trolling.. so looking forward to summer but also taking into account what you said that you don't care for expensive lures which is a breath of fresh air really as i might of gone bos with expensive lures.. many have their place but also as you say others will also work.. but end of the day judging by the lures in one tackle shop i visited yesterday there is no such thing as a cheap good quality lure haha
as you well know with lures its all about CADENCE and was not sure what action will be imparted to lure when surf fishing and not trolling a lure i would of thought designed only for trolling.. so looking forward to summer but also taking into account what you said that you don't care for expensive lures which is a breath of fresh air really as i might of gone bos with expensive lures.. many have their place but also as you say others will also work.. but end of the day judging by the lures in one tackle shop i visited yesterday there is no such thing as a cheap good quality lure haha
I bought some bucktails and have tried a few sessions without success....suspect I need to work on my retrieve.
Reading up, I see the guys in the States use the "Uncle Josh pork rind" teaser....think they are now discontinued.
I started off using sliver of a red plastic squid skirt.....then bought a leather chamois for car cleaning and dyed it red with fabric dye and then cut some variable length and shaped teasers. When the leather gets wet its very floppy and flexible.
Do you use a teaser, have you used a teaser......and what are your thoughts on this?
Reading up, I see the guys in the States use the "Uncle Josh pork rind" teaser....think they are now discontinued.
I started off using sliver of a red plastic squid skirt.....then bought a leather chamois for car cleaning and dyed it red with fabric dye and then cut some variable length and shaped teasers. When the leather gets wet its very floppy and flexible.
Do you use a teaser, have you used a teaser......and what are your thoughts on this?
@ Surfboy
Have never used a teaser, not that I can remember anyway
It's clear you are battling, and are now looking for a way to improve your results, here's my thoughts on that :
- By design bucktail jigs are simple yet effective
- You fish the desert and you won't get fish, guaranteed. I don't know if the area that you are fishing holds fish.
- Like mentioned in the article, play around with retrieve rate and the action of the lure (slow or fast whip)
- Buy yourself some SPRO or TINYJIG bucktail jigs, both are of exceptional quality, and try with them.
Just some more questions, what is your rod/reel/line combo that you are using ?
And where exactly are you fishing ?
As for colour, here is my preference :
- All white
- Yellow over White
- Yellow over Black
- Green over White
- Green over Black
- Purple over White
- Purple over Black
I'm not a fan of pink and the other bright colours, although I have used them in desperation at times
There are times that you will stand and throw lures for hours and not get a bump, this is fishing.
We've fished where there is no action for hours, and then at the turn of the tide the action starts.
If you fish a certain area long and hard enough you will learn what works and when it works, this is experienced gained the hard way
Speak to other anglers in that area, learn from them
Move around, and fish different tides. I can't stress that enough.
Pack light and take a walk (safety in numbers), a few throws and move, a few more and move
Swop lures every now and then
Hope this helps, and don't give up
It definately is a hard form of fishing, but once you get it right ...
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Have never used a teaser, not that I can remember anyway
It's clear you are battling, and are now looking for a way to improve your results, here's my thoughts on that :
- By design bucktail jigs are simple yet effective
- You fish the desert and you won't get fish, guaranteed. I don't know if the area that you are fishing holds fish.
- Like mentioned in the article, play around with retrieve rate and the action of the lure (slow or fast whip)
- Buy yourself some SPRO or TINYJIG bucktail jigs, both are of exceptional quality, and try with them.
Just some more questions, what is your rod/reel/line combo that you are using ?
And where exactly are you fishing ?
As for colour, here is my preference :
- All white
- Yellow over White
- Yellow over Black
- Green over White
- Green over Black
- Purple over White
- Purple over Black
I'm not a fan of pink and the other bright colours, although I have used them in desperation at times
There are times that you will stand and throw lures for hours and not get a bump, this is fishing.
We've fished where there is no action for hours, and then at the turn of the tide the action starts.
If you fish a certain area long and hard enough you will learn what works and when it works, this is experienced gained the hard way
Speak to other anglers in that area, learn from them
Move around, and fish different tides. I can't stress that enough.
Pack light and take a walk (safety in numbers), a few throws and move, a few more and move
Swop lures every now and then
Hope this helps, and don't give up
It definately is a hard form of fishing, but once you get it right ...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1231278116887142/
https://www.spro.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=47
Thanks for the detail reply.
I am using a 11' Shoregame 1-3 oz.with torzite guides from Craig. Stradic 5000 with Suffix 832 30lb. Very happy with the set up and could go a little lighter on the line. Bucktails off the shelf. Spro and Williamson.
The only fish I have caught on artificials is elf....but they demolish a paddle tail and bucktail hair takes strain....so switched to spoon to preserve tackle. The elf was just out of frustration in a river mouth to get my paddle tails and bucktails working.....what I am really wanting to target is cob off the rocks onto sand, off beach and estuaries. I have only had a few short sessions and tried drop offs on gullies, gutters and holes....I must just persist and spend more time working the tides and structures....picked up your comments on retrieves and will add the different retrieves.
I am using a 11' Shoregame 1-3 oz.with torzite guides from Craig. Stradic 5000 with Suffix 832 30lb. Very happy with the set up and could go a little lighter on the line. Bucktails off the shelf. Spro and Williamson.
The only fish I have caught on artificials is elf....but they demolish a paddle tail and bucktail hair takes strain....so switched to spoon to preserve tackle. The elf was just out of frustration in a river mouth to get my paddle tails and bucktails working.....what I am really wanting to target is cob off the rocks onto sand, off beach and estuaries. I have only had a few short sessions and tried drop offs on gullies, gutters and holes....I must just persist and spend more time working the tides and structures....picked up your comments on retrieves and will add the different retrieves.
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Well you are using quality jigs !
About the rod
to me a 11ft rod is difficult to "jig" with, easy for plugs and spoons
I got myself a 10ft rod, but always used a 9ft, will still see how that goes (my son also went with 11ft, which I believe is a choice he will still regret)
Cob on the surf is hit or miss, either they are there or they are not, cast 10m from the sweetspot and you will get nothing, cast in the right spot and you will get them 1 after the other.
Look for holes and channels just outside the river mouth and work in and around them, don't jig with the rod tip straight up, work it at a 45 degree angle access your chest so that you don't pull it to far at a time
(difficult to explain so let me know if it doesn't make sense)
Don't try and do anything with the paddletails, just reel them in slowly, waves will hit them around and the tails cause the vibration in the water, retrieve should be on the slower side
About the rod
to me a 11ft rod is difficult to "jig" with, easy for plugs and spoons
I got myself a 10ft rod, but always used a 9ft, will still see how that goes (my son also went with 11ft, which I believe is a choice he will still regret)
Cob on the surf is hit or miss, either they are there or they are not, cast 10m from the sweetspot and you will get nothing, cast in the right spot and you will get them 1 after the other.
Look for holes and channels just outside the river mouth and work in and around them, don't jig with the rod tip straight up, work it at a 45 degree angle access your chest so that you don't pull it to far at a time
(difficult to explain so let me know if it doesn't make sense)
Don't try and do anything with the paddletails, just reel them in slowly, waves will hit them around and the tails cause the vibration in the water, retrieve should be on the slower side
Hi have been spinning for some time now but only rivers, swartkops, sundays and gamtoos.
sizes that work for me is the 1/4 and 3/8,because of the drop rate if the jig is to heavy it will drop to fast.
the way I fish my jigs
> cast out your jig
> reel in your slack (quick)
> check your braid (as soon as the jig hits the bottom you will see slack in you line)
> twitch you rod
and repeat the following
> reel in your slack (quick)
> check your braid (as soon as the jig hits the bottom you will see slack in you line)
> this will give you a good indication on your drop rate, now you know the drop rate between your twitches and hitting the bottom.
you can fish your jig by either bouncing it on the bottom or just before it hits the bottom.
this is the same way if fish plastics
I am by no means a master but this is what works for me.
please let me know if you need more info
sizes that work for me is the 1/4 and 3/8,because of the drop rate if the jig is to heavy it will drop to fast.
the way I fish my jigs
> cast out your jig
> reel in your slack (quick)
> check your braid (as soon as the jig hits the bottom you will see slack in you line)
> twitch you rod
and repeat the following
> reel in your slack (quick)
> check your braid (as soon as the jig hits the bottom you will see slack in you line)
> this will give you a good indication on your drop rate, now you know the drop rate between your twitches and hitting the bottom.
you can fish your jig by either bouncing it on the bottom or just before it hits the bottom.
this is the same way if fish plastics
I am by no means a master but this is what works for me.
please let me know if you need more info
blaasoppie#1
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Great Post Nielg