Sliding, can you really cast?

Ocean Hunter

Sealiner
To what extent has sliding narrowed the gap between the very good and the average angler? In the days before sliding it was only really the guys that could wade and throw a big bait that would be on top. But these days just about anyone that can throw a sinker can get a big bait out there through sliding. So in a way leveling the playing fields. What do you guys think?
 

t-time

Senior Member
i think that sliding has leveled the playing field to an extent. Now the factors that determine the sucess of an angler is more dependent on weather his bait is in the right place, type of bait and knowing what you targeting. that, and the overall presentation of everything can only be obtained by experience and knowledge. no short cuts
 

Trophy

Sealiner
100% Agree.....the playing fields have become narrowed to a large degree. I still find it amazing that some guys seem to still catch more fish between 10 rods though. Like t-time kinda said.....you still need to think like a fish and that still does not come as easily as casting a sinker into the deep blue yonder!
 

Ocean Hunter

Sealiner
I agree with you, but the fact remains if you couldnt get the distance you didnt get the pull. Now everyone can get the distance
 

JJ Pienaar

Sealiner
It might be so when fishing off beaches but the when fishing off deepwater point's it no diffrent...... it also has a lot to do with bait prezentation and the water one is fishing in... allthow sliding realy help's i started this style of fishing 2year ago but befor that i was still getting my fish not as often as now but yae......   
 

Simen

Sealiner
Ocean Hunter I agree with you yhat sliding has levelled the playing field somewhat. But again I think you have seen it and maybe also experienced it ( I would say spec Nam coast ) we tend to cast our arms off, and actually we are casting over the fish.
Two years ago at Blare we were about 10 guys having to cast 100m+ to get nice fish ( Kabeljou between 3 & 6kg ). If you reached the bank you were on cast after cast. 10m to short Barbel after Barbel. Sarah decided to do a short cast ( guess 40 - 50m ) result 3 on's heaviest 8 kg. All started casting in close and the heaviest landed just over 10kg.
Yes distance plays a role but where is just as important.
 

AndriesH

Sealiner
This is true Simen, but also I think that everybody now has an opportunity to add 30m to their bait position.
A 70m caster now slides to 100m and a 150m caster now slides to 180m.

The biggest advantage is to put a bbiiiggg bait out a lot further than in the past - but then you could start kite fishing.

The next little invention will allow a 50% success rate to become 60% and a 60% to become 70%, so it all remains the same after all.
Time at the water and thinking like a fish is more valuable than another 50m.
 

Durran

Senior Member
It has a slight advantage. But as some of the guys ahve said its all in knowing the area, species, presentation. When I fish a comp my first three throws are ALWAYS with a bait clipped and never both sliding If the fish are there I willg et 3 fish out by the time the guy who slide gets one out
 

deisel

Sealiner
keep in mind 20 years ago there were alot more fish around, therefore if you trew a 1kilo bonnie head 30mteres you could still catch fish, now that the oceans stocks are so badly damaged we need to get that extra edge to dind the fish, Does being able to throw a big bait mean you are a better angler?
well personally it think it makes you a better throw with a heavey bait, bait preparation over the last 20 years has also evolved into its own path of expertise,..
i dont slide makies i throw them up to 110 meters purly by throwing a coke bottle with sand in it,..
bonnie head... well thats a different story, if i try throw that ill fall on my ass cause i only weigh 80kilos,..
someone maybe skrops size or even trophy is bigger than may throw further,. there is a point were techique stops and pure throwing weight takes over.,,
so on this point im not either here nor there but perhaps i posted some releavant points that you chaps could use to further your discussion,..
please argue further i would appreciate your input
 

AndriesH

Sealiner
No argument deisel, I would like to learn from this and what I'm seeing is that - again, I need to decide what specie of fish I want to target on the day an prepare accordingly.
My favourite R&S fish to date have been small sharks in the range 15 to 30 kg's - it is M..rse fun - and I don't really need to slide for them.
I would however prefer to slide a livey out some 100 - 120m on the KZN North coast for a Kingy or something similar.
That would definately be a benefit in terms of sliding.
 

khalaharikid

Sealiner
I agree with all, but there is still that experience that is needed to be better than the rest. as you guys said anybody can slide a bait, not to difficult  throw sinker clip bait shake it out there!

The difference comes in on bait presentation, quality of your slide, tackle and most important read the water, I know a guy in the transkei that only fishers on barometric pressures, now that is years of experience and knowledge of the water,

However your seasoned anglers, top anglers will still be able to get a bait just as far as joe soap with a slide and will catch twice the amount of fish. So has it really levelled the playing fields that much, the gap has definatly narrowed but the top guys will outfish most guys 9 times out of 10

    
 

yacoob

Senior Member
hey guys.............

 

at the risk of sounding like an absolute idiot, can someone please tell me what 'sliding' is????????????? i can comfortably throw to about 140m in normal conditions, and some more when there's no wind to contend with.  i do however agree with you guys that often the fish are'nt that far in, and i end up having to just flip my bait out.

 

 
 

deisel

Sealiner
imagine a foofy slide, you only throw out a sinker when it settles you attached a clip to your line which is attached to your bait and you litarllay slide it on out there, 140 sho thats far, i can only throw 110 with baits, there are no idiots here just ous like me and you keen to learn form each other
 

Ocean Hunter

Sealiner
When it comes to bait presentation 8 out of 10 guys will hook a bonnie head or yellow tail on, not much different to the guy next to him! All im saying it that sliding has given the beginner a chance to get his bait out there to pick up the big one, where as in the past he wouldnt of had that oppertunity! Anyway here in nam i rarely throw a slide, the bronzies are normaly so close here
 

kitefisher

Sealiner
@Deisil, imo, casting a medium sized mackerel,as you say you do, is not much different in terms of weight than a small bonnie-head,maybe just more streamlined,arguably a 10% decrease in distance at worst,so dont be shy to give it a bash.

As far as sliding goes,it may have increased the average angler's odds ,but against the fish, and not necessarily against the more experienced angler.I see it this way,before sliding ,let us assume that Mr average could cast a clipped bait out 100 meters,and Mr pro 120 meters.Now with sliding Mr average can reach 120 meters with only a sinker,but for the same token,Mr pro can hit 150 meters(which btw is a very,very long cast) .If we go from the understanding that the fish is far out who has the advantage,probably still Mr pro.

If however the fish are biting close in, the above plays no role,and the same reasons why Mr pro would, as somebody mentioned earlier beat Mr average 9 times out of 10 holds true.The reasons arguably being,bait presentation for specie, reading water conditions,tempo,gear for specie,traces etc etc.Everyone with a line in the water will obviously have a chance to get a bite,but lets imagine for the purpose of the exercise that they are in "fishing-heaven" and the fish bite continously for 5 hours,My money would be on Mr pro landing more fish than myself(who slots in by the skin on my arse into Mr average).

Just an opinion,  let rip.

 
 

AndriesH

Sealiner
Question:
The pro has over a longer time "fishing hrs" learned how to fish successfully, inlcuding casting, bait presentation as well as How to fight fish.

Is it wise to bump an average fisherman into the monster fish arena by giving him the tools to put a bait out there while not having developed the necesary skills to handle the fish that swallows it?
 

kitefisher

Sealiner
[color=#006600]AndriesH[/color] wrote:
Question:
The pro has over a longer time "fishing hrs" learned how to fish successfully, inlcuding casting, bait presentation as well as How to fight fish.

Is it wise to bump an average fisherman into the monster fish arena by giving him the tools to put a bait out there while not having developed the necesary skills to handle the fish that swallows it?
Some agreement there Andries ,is it wise to buy one's son a 2l fuel injection street missile for his 18 th birthday ?
 

khalaharikid

Sealiner
[color=#006600]Ocean Hunter[/color] wrote:
When it comes to bait presentation 8 out of 10 guys will hook a bonnie head or yellow tail on, not much different to the guy next to him! All im saying it that sliding has given the beginner a chance to get his bait out there to pick up the big one, where as in the past he wouldnt of had that oppertunity! Anyway here in nam i rarely throw a slide, the bronzies are normaly so close here
Yes i agree but the top guys will add a fillet on the side cut a gill plate off create more blood, those small details make the difference, but here on the east coast it has definatly narrowed the gap, and give the average angler the chance to hook 100 plus kilos
 

AndriesH

Sealiner
Let's use this thread then to help each other towards best practices when sliding.
Can you do a Bimini? you'l need it at the sharp end.
Can you tie a wire trace to a swivel?
Can you prepare a 1kg bait and present it?
Do you know how to strike a pickup with a 130m piece of nylon or even braid out.

We'll if you do, how do you protect your back with a 90kg Bronzy on the other end.

Most of these have been covered before, so if you find an old thread, just copy it here with a heading that describes the contents.
 
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