Saturday 31 July 2010 We were planning this fishi
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Jan & Julio,
Only one lure lost and only due to drag problems, none to the rocks.
Some of the reels were with 30lb line the goal was geting a +12Kg Cubera on 30lb that would mean a new IGFA line record.
On one of the 30lb setups Manito decided to change the drag setting and of course after the change the first Cubera managed to break the line on the first run....
Unfortunatly the two bigger ones were on the 50lb setups :-(
Some fish lost but we allways managed to save the lures, some of the "clips" opened but luckly allways at the boat.
Wire at the end and also a braided 100 lbs leader all within IGFA max lenghts for 30lb certification.
Lighter drag, lot's of boat work and then finally fight the fish away from the rocks, you can not fight the cuberas in this 3 meters deep areas just by adding pressure to the fish, they will allways reef you on the first run.
Add pressure near the boat, some of the times the momment they see the boat they will panic again and if they still have strenght they will also try to reef you.
Only one lure lost and only due to drag problems, none to the rocks.
Some of the reels were with 30lb line the goal was geting a +12Kg Cubera on 30lb that would mean a new IGFA line record.
On one of the 30lb setups Manito decided to change the drag setting and of course after the change the first Cubera managed to break the line on the first run....
Unfortunatly the two bigger ones were on the 50lb setups :-(
Some fish lost but we allways managed to save the lures, some of the "clips" opened but luckly allways at the boat.
Wire at the end and also a braided 100 lbs leader all within IGFA max lenghts for 30lb certification.
Lighter drag, lot's of boat work and then finally fight the fish away from the rocks, you can not fight the cuberas in this 3 meters deep areas just by adding pressure to the fish, they will allways reef you on the first run.
Add pressure near the boat, some of the times the momment they see the boat they will panic again and if they still have strenght they will also try to reef you.
tremosso wrote:
Short casting rod Cubera fun, 6 to 10Kg average but with some +20Kg biggers ones along, running for cover at the mangrove and with light sticks.
That yes is fishing, you know I am not a big fan of trolling but sometimes desperate times need desperate measures
Well you should come with me to estuary fishing on the northern rivers probably next weekend, long drive north going friday afternoon and coming sunday end of the day.
Short casting rod Cubera fun, 6 to 10Kg average but with some +20Kg biggers ones along, running for cover at the mangrove and with light sticks.
That yes is fishing, you know I am not a big fan of trolling but sometimes desperate times need desperate measures
Just for a point of interest. The corvina as it is called here Argyrosomus regis is also called the Mediterranean shade fish this is a limited aquaculture spp in the med.
The second kob look alike is what is often caught further to the south Argyrosomus coronus (Basically and Angolan Dusky)
It is amazing what civil wars will do to preserve a fishing stock, just look at what you guys are lucky enough to be able to enjoy now. Take care of it!
The second kob look alike is what is often caught further to the south Argyrosomus coronus (Basically and Angolan Dusky)
It is amazing what civil wars will do to preserve a fishing stock, just look at what you guys are lucky enough to be able to enjoy now. Take care of it!
Hy Hilton,
We have this species here in Angola
Argyrosomus hololepidotus = Pungo Preto = Southern Meagre
Argyrosomus Coronus = Punguete or Guemba = Dusky Kob
Atractoscion aequidens = Pungo amarelo (amarelo means yellow) = "African weak fish or Geelbeck Croaker
Psendotolithus typus = Corvina Branca = Longneck croaker
Argyrosomus regius = Corvina = Meagre
Actually the civil war only protected the estuaries, now netting is paying it's toll there, people can now move freely around.
More the landmines (or the possiblility of landmines) around the estuary bridges protected it from overfishing in those days.
There was no war at sea and some international fleets have extensivly fished it.
Coastal Fishing grounds here were mostly destroyed by the Russian and Spanish fishing Armadas, oil was not at the price it is today and the production was also much less, during part of the civil war it was the fishing quota that payed a substantial part of the war effort by the MPLA government while on the UNITA side it was payed mainly by diamonds.
Luckly oil went up and the fishing contracts were substantially reduced allowing fishing to recover a bit.
Some bottom fishing areas did not recover up until today......
Two year ago I saw at South Angola very strange uncontrolled Chinese fishing vessels, fishing in protected areas, let's see if they can be properly controlled and we don't see a repeat of history.......
Another incredible near Luanda area was also destroyed by civil war, grenades were used for fishing at our fish breeding paradise Mussulo peninsula.
Off Course near Luanda areas are suffering from population pressure, a 5/6 Million City eats every day, but then again it was the civil war that changed a 600.000 City into 5 million, people running away from war zones mainly...
So pretty much the other way around, civil war did not protect most of our fishing grounds....
We have this species here in Angola
Argyrosomus hololepidotus = Pungo Preto = Southern Meagre
Argyrosomus Coronus = Punguete or Guemba = Dusky Kob
Atractoscion aequidens = Pungo amarelo (amarelo means yellow) = "African weak fish or Geelbeck Croaker
Psendotolithus typus = Corvina Branca = Longneck croaker
Argyrosomus regius = Corvina = Meagre
Actually the civil war only protected the estuaries, now netting is paying it's toll there, people can now move freely around.
More the landmines (or the possiblility of landmines) around the estuary bridges protected it from overfishing in those days.
There was no war at sea and some international fleets have extensivly fished it.
Coastal Fishing grounds here were mostly destroyed by the Russian and Spanish fishing Armadas, oil was not at the price it is today and the production was also much less, during part of the civil war it was the fishing quota that payed a substantial part of the war effort by the MPLA government while on the UNITA side it was payed mainly by diamonds.
Luckly oil went up and the fishing contracts were substantially reduced allowing fishing to recover a bit.
Some bottom fishing areas did not recover up until today......
Two year ago I saw at South Angola very strange uncontrolled Chinese fishing vessels, fishing in protected areas, let's see if they can be properly controlled and we don't see a repeat of history.......
Another incredible near Luanda area was also destroyed by civil war, grenades were used for fishing at our fish breeding paradise Mussulo peninsula.
Off Course near Luanda areas are suffering from population pressure, a 5/6 Million City eats every day, but then again it was the civil war that changed a 600.000 City into 5 million, people running away from war zones mainly...
So pretty much the other way around, civil war did not protect most of our fishing grounds....
I have described it previously in this way:
"Commercial fishing here was disastrous, over fishing by international trawlers (Russian & Spanish) , illegally sized mesh nets (mainly spanish), fishing with exposives inside Luanda Mussulo bay, during some part of the civil war years. "
Some intresting texts that allow you to understand it a bit better:
"Commercial fishing here was disastrous, over fishing by international trawlers (Russian & Spanish) , illegally sized mesh nets (mainly spanish), fishing with exposives inside Luanda Mussulo bay, during some part of the civil war years. "
Some intresting texts that allow you to understand it a bit better:
Code:
" In the brochures now being distributed by the Angolan
government the emphasis for the fishing sector is on the large pre war
catches. However, what is not mentioned is the fact that during the civil
war the Marxist leaning government allowed a large number of Russian
trawlers to fish its waters. There are no documented estimates as to the
level of over fishing that occurred during the period, but
environmentalists have claimed it to be extensive.
Russian fishing vessels are notorious for their waste and thoughtless
trawling techniques which often times lead to the destruction of fish
habitats on the seabed. Studies have shown that huge numbers of young
fish of the target species are killed before they have reproduced, along
with other marine creatures that often times are simply tossed overboard.
The trawling technique also threatens immature fish, theoretically small
enough to escape through a trawlers net, but they often find their passage
blocked by larger fish."The myth of Angolan waters needs some more explanation. Fernando gave us a good insight along the time line already, so credits go to him for the intricate revelations.
Adding my 2c:
Concerning the resident species, it's merely pockets of fishery that have been spared by overfishing. In that light it's even more surprising, that in our current cold / dry season we manage to repeat fine fisheries within 25km from our 6 mn Metrolopis called Luanda.
Come away 40km and farther and you might just find your personal best and prolific fisheries... but you need Fernandos expertise to find the spots... and a very calm day!
Population dynamics show migratory tendencies prevailing, to exit the interior and settle in the economically more promising litoral counties, Luanda, Bengo, Kwanza Sul and Benguela Provinces mostly. What happens next? Well, even the most remote and inaccessible fisheries will come under fire...
Concerning the non-resident species, I refer to Marlin, Sails, Wahoo, Dorries and Tuna... the picture is bleeker than in the darlest days of Russian "vacuum cleaning". Longliners must have read our tag reports in 2007 forward... and came to prey on the rebounding billfish.
Those days are over! We see less and less billfish compared to the fine years 2007/8 and 2008/9.
The fleet of sports fishing craft has grown. Teams are up 25% p.a. participating in the National Championship Cycle. Techniques have been refined... all to no avails: We are down 35% t&r Marlin and down 50% Sails compared to the two previous seasons. 2009/10 was the saddest fishing in a whole long time. Add ontop that seemingly only the 700 plus pounders Marlin still are roaming... but all smaller fish including most males have been taken by the longliners...
... billfishing bad news, would I say.
Adding my 2c:
Concerning the resident species, it's merely pockets of fishery that have been spared by overfishing. In that light it's even more surprising, that in our current cold / dry season we manage to repeat fine fisheries within 25km from our 6 mn Metrolopis called Luanda.
Come away 40km and farther and you might just find your personal best and prolific fisheries... but you need Fernandos expertise to find the spots... and a very calm day!
Population dynamics show migratory tendencies prevailing, to exit the interior and settle in the economically more promising litoral counties, Luanda, Bengo, Kwanza Sul and Benguela Provinces mostly. What happens next? Well, even the most remote and inaccessible fisheries will come under fire...
Concerning the non-resident species, I refer to Marlin, Sails, Wahoo, Dorries and Tuna... the picture is bleeker than in the darlest days of Russian "vacuum cleaning". Longliners must have read our tag reports in 2007 forward... and came to prey on the rebounding billfish.
Those days are over! We see less and less billfish compared to the fine years 2007/8 and 2008/9.
The fleet of sports fishing craft has grown. Teams are up 25% p.a. participating in the National Championship Cycle. Techniques have been refined... all to no avails: We are down 35% t&r Marlin and down 50% Sails compared to the two previous seasons. 2009/10 was the saddest fishing in a whole long time. Add ontop that seemingly only the 700 plus pounders Marlin still are roaming... but all smaller fish including most males have been taken by the longliners...
... billfishing bad news, would I say.
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Jan,
40 Km is too near Luanda Inferno to find proper fish put +40 miles and you will come near.
I would say South it will start from Cabo São Braz Down, North from Ambriz up, all this area from Ambriz to São Braz has been pressured by Luanda nightmare.
Julio managed to talk with his boss and in a couple of hours we will be leaving together, this is our track for what we hope to be some decent estuary weekend fishing.
40 Km is too near Luanda Inferno to find proper fish put +40 miles and you will come near.
I would say South it will start from Cabo São Braz Down, North from Ambriz up, all this area from Ambriz to São Braz has been pressured by Luanda nightmare.
Julio managed to talk with his boss and in a couple of hours we will be leaving together, this is our track for what we hope to be some decent estuary weekend fishing.
