oiling and magging
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kitefisher
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Cuban that Penn is an absolute beauty. Would you say the size is approximately that of a Trini-14/Torium-14.
8 seconds is a good (fairly safe) all-round starting point for most smaller reels. Just to quell the initial RPM's. I must just clarify that a reel that runs slow because of flaws on spindle or roughness inside the pinion(if the spindle is not free-floating),is not to be confused with a reel deliberately slowed down by either Magnets or oil,or both.
You obviously know that as you have the reel-tuning down pat.I am merely mentioning it for the sake of all readers.
That little Penn could probably run for minutes on end with cleaned dry bearings.The fun part then starts to get it under control for optimum use.
Hybrid ceramics or full ceramics may at the cost of some serious noise not even need lubrication,but it does lessen one's margin for error.
i.e adjustments on the magnet-slide must be very controlled
or the result may be undesirable.
If I scratch around in my man-cave I may still find some Penn 680 oil(could be older than 20 years) which can be used to stop a train.I am sure it will work for the Talica, as it works for Trini 40-50 size reels.
Cuban,please forgive me if I sound like a wise-ass.It is honestly not my intention.I did my ''apprenticeship'' on bearings,oils,magnets and centrifugal brakes many many years ago. Somehow this post rekindled a bit of lost interest in reel-tuning, which although still relatively young in South-Africa,is a dying art. What you do is an art,keep up the great work.Much respect.
8 seconds is a good (fairly safe) all-round starting point for most smaller reels. Just to quell the initial RPM's. I must just clarify that a reel that runs slow because of flaws on spindle or roughness inside the pinion(if the spindle is not free-floating),is not to be confused with a reel deliberately slowed down by either Magnets or oil,or both.
You obviously know that as you have the reel-tuning down pat.I am merely mentioning it for the sake of all readers.
That little Penn could probably run for minutes on end with cleaned dry bearings.The fun part then starts to get it under control for optimum use.
Hybrid ceramics or full ceramics may at the cost of some serious noise not even need lubrication,but it does lessen one's margin for error.
i.e adjustments on the magnet-slide must be very controlled
or the result may be undesirable.
If I scratch around in my man-cave I may still find some Penn 680 oil(could be older than 20 years) which can be used to stop a train.I am sure it will work for the Talica, as it works for Trini 40-50 size reels.
Cuban,please forgive me if I sound like a wise-ass.It is honestly not my intention.I did my ''apprenticeship'' on bearings,oils,magnets and centrifugal brakes many many years ago. Somehow this post rekindled a bit of lost interest in reel-tuning, which although still relatively young in South-Africa,is a dying art. What you do is an art,keep up the great work.Much respect.
Cuban Cigar
Sealiner
The "number plate" end, showing the slider adjustment ...
Cuban Cigar
Sealiner
kitefisher wrote:
I totally agree with you ... I set up all my MAG-IT fitments, to about a 8-10 sec freespool time, when spinning the reel by hand .... most anglers find that perfect for practical fishing, but can still set it faster or slower, to their own personal preference !
Yes, this little reel is about same size as Trini/Torium 14, but built like it could be bullet-proof !
I just remember, that Rocket Fuel comes in different "colour ratings" that indicate viscosity and on the thinnest/fastest of their oils, they specifically state, that it is only meant for small reels, up to ABU 6500 size, which is the classic format/size, used for distant casting comps !
Please feel free to expand on the topic .... it is really very interesting !
Cheers !
Hi Kitefisher !
I totally agree with you ... I set up all my MAG-IT fitments, to about a 8-10 sec freespool time, when spinning the reel by hand .... most anglers find that perfect for practical fishing, but can still set it faster or slower, to their own personal preference !
Yes, this little reel is about same size as Trini/Torium 14, but built like it could be bullet-proof !
I just remember, that Rocket Fuel comes in different "colour ratings" that indicate viscosity and on the thinnest/fastest of their oils, they specifically state, that it is only meant for small reels, up to ABU 6500 size, which is the classic format/size, used for distant casting comps !
Please feel free to expand on the topic .... it is really very interesting !
Cheers !
Cuban Cigar
Sealiner
Cuban Cigar
Sealiner
Sorry, I'm struggling to post the pics right now !!!
Cuban Cigar
Sealiner
some interesting or boring math.
The disk and the ring in this figure represent a rotating wheel and a magnet whose field goes through the edge of the wheel respectively. Similar to the example of falling magnet in a metalic pipe, a braking torque is generated on the disk resisting the rotational motion. The magnitude of
the braking torque, [N•m] can be theoretically derived to be a function of the number of magnets around the wheel, n [#], the specific conductivity of the material, σ [Ω−1 ∙ m−1], the diameter of the magnet core, D [m], the thickness of the disk, d [m], the magnetic field, B [T], the effective radius, R [m], and the instantaneous angular velocity, ̇ [rad/s]:
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The disk and the ring in this figure represent a rotating wheel and a magnet whose field goes through the edge of the wheel respectively. Similar to the example of falling magnet in a metalic pipe, a braking torque is generated on the disk resisting the rotational motion. The magnitude of
the braking torque, [N•m] can be theoretically derived to be a function of the number of magnets around the wheel, n [#], the specific conductivity of the material, σ [Ω−1 ∙ m−1], the diameter of the magnet core, D [m], the thickness of the disk, d [m], the magnetic field, B [T], the effective radius, R [m], and the instantaneous angular velocity, ̇ [rad/s]:
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and yes cuban cigar, stopping the big reels like the talica 25 when the sinker hits the water is problematic. I either change hands and slow the spool down with my right hand in the last third of the sinkers downward fall sacrificing a bit of distance, or wear a glove on my left hand and press down on the line very hard with as much surface area of my thumb as possible. You want to stop the spool dead because any slippage will burn and damage the line
kitefisher
Sealiner
Raaneip, somewhat complicated ,but certainly interesting.
Cuban that reel is a masterpiece.No detail spared.Looking at the bearing inside the pinion I assume that on this reel the spindle turns with the spool as opposed to the static spindle of say a Penn Fathom.This bearing also help eliminate possible ''flex'' in the drivetrain and probably add a much smoother feel to the reel under laod. In the latter reel(Fathom),the spindle remains static and the spool revolves around it as in the Abu 6500's.(most of them,not all)
Insofar as the Rocket Fuel oils,you are correct.They come in Tournament(transparent),Yellow,which is slightly thicker,and Red which is the thickest,but still pretty fast. These oils are really only suitable for our very smallish reels such as Torium 14,size and at a push a Daiwa SL20SH and SL30SH(if aided by magnets or centrifugal brakes)
p.s Just as an afterthought.If a big multiplier of say Daiwa 50 or Shimano 30 size, is static-magged and have a built in safety-margin for error,Then one cannot randomly change to a thinner diameter line and expect the reel to behave the same. It may throw an extra coil or three as the spool does not get smaller at the same pace as with the thicker diameter line.....Maklike oplossing,as jy bietjie dunner lyn opsit,gooi bietjie dikker olie in die bearings,dan hoef jy nie weer te verander aan die magnete se polariteit of afstande of hoeveelheid nie.
Casting is fun
Cuban that reel is a masterpiece.No detail spared.Looking at the bearing inside the pinion I assume that on this reel the spindle turns with the spool as opposed to the static spindle of say a Penn Fathom.This bearing also help eliminate possible ''flex'' in the drivetrain and probably add a much smoother feel to the reel under laod. In the latter reel(Fathom),the spindle remains static and the spool revolves around it as in the Abu 6500's.(most of them,not all)
Insofar as the Rocket Fuel oils,you are correct.They come in Tournament(transparent),Yellow,which is slightly thicker,and Red which is the thickest,but still pretty fast. These oils are really only suitable for our very smallish reels such as Torium 14,size and at a push a Daiwa SL20SH and SL30SH(if aided by magnets or centrifugal brakes)
p.s Just as an afterthought.If a big multiplier of say Daiwa 50 or Shimano 30 size, is static-magged and have a built in safety-margin for error,Then one cannot randomly change to a thinner diameter line and expect the reel to behave the same. It may throw an extra coil or three as the spool does not get smaller at the same pace as with the thicker diameter line.....Maklike oplossing,as jy bietjie dunner lyn opsit,gooi bietjie dikker olie in die bearings,dan hoef jy nie weer te verander aan die magnete se polariteit of afstande of hoeveelheid nie.
Casting is fun
Cuban Cigar
Sealiner
Also on the pratical side ...
Not all reels have the same amount of clearance between frame or sideplate and sidewall of the spool ....
and many other little things like the size of the magplate you can fit, to give maximum range of adjustibility, by means of sliding the magnet inwards or outwards ...
Not all reels have the same amount of clearance between frame or sideplate and sidewall of the spool ....
and many other little things like the size of the magplate you can fit, to give maximum range of adjustibility, by means of sliding the magnet inwards or outwards ...
Here is a table I found on line which lists viscosities of various lubes:
Lube.............................Viscosity@78F (cP)
Mobil-1 0W-30 (syn)..................400
Superlube w/PTFE..................... 245
Zebco Needle Oiler.................... 206
Quicksilver Storage Seal............ 203
Abu Silicoat Reel Oil..................176
Browning Midas Gun Oil (syn)... 140
Quicksilver PS and Trim Oil........136
BSB Speed Bearing...................114
Red RF (hc)...............................93
PMI Paintball Gun Lube...............90
Power Steering Fluid................. .90
Diawa Std Needle Oiler............ ...84
Reel-X.......................................74
ATF Dextron III...........................62
Shimano Std. (hc).......................60
Yellow RF (hc)............................59
3-In-1 Oil...................................40
Reel Butter..................................28
Quantum Hot Sauce......................25
X+1R..........................................21
Diawa TDZ lube (syn)...................18
Diawa/Liberto Pixy Lube (syn)........18
Whale Spit (hc)............................14
Abu Black Max .............................14
WD 40........................................6
Tournament RF (hc)......................4
Friction Zero Lub (hc/syn )............4
Rem Oil (hc)................................3
Reference: DI water.....................1
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Lube....Viscosity (cP) @ .....38F...........@78F.........@ 98F (cP)
Yellow RF ........................285..............59....... .......35
3-In-1 Oil.........................161....... ......40...............20
Quantum Hot Sauce...........100..............25............... 16
copied from stripersonline
Lube.............................Viscosity@78F (cP)
Mobil-1 0W-30 (syn)..................400
Superlube w/PTFE..................... 245
Zebco Needle Oiler.................... 206
Quicksilver Storage Seal............ 203
Abu Silicoat Reel Oil..................176
Browning Midas Gun Oil (syn)... 140
Quicksilver PS and Trim Oil........136
BSB Speed Bearing...................114
Red RF (hc)...............................93
PMI Paintball Gun Lube...............90
Power Steering Fluid................. .90
Diawa Std Needle Oiler............ ...84
Reel-X.......................................74
ATF Dextron III...........................62
Shimano Std. (hc).......................60
Yellow RF (hc)............................59
3-In-1 Oil...................................40
Reel Butter..................................28
Quantum Hot Sauce......................25
X+1R..........................................21
Diawa TDZ lube (syn)...................18
Diawa/Liberto Pixy Lube (syn)........18
Whale Spit (hc)............................14
Abu Black Max .............................14
WD 40........................................6
Tournament RF (hc)......................4
Friction Zero Lub (hc/syn )............4
Rem Oil (hc)................................3
Reference: DI water.....................1
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Lube....Viscosity (cP) @ .....38F...........@78F.........@ 98F (cP)
Yellow RF ........................285..............59....... .......35
3-In-1 Oil.........................161....... ......40...............20
Quantum Hot Sauce...........100..............25............... 16
copied from stripersonline
kitefisher
Sealiner
Shotto Raaneip,very informative.
From the chart one can easily compare the different viscosities of the Rocket fuel ..A simple comparison test if all else fails or if one is uncertain would be to lay a piece of flat-glass at a 10-15 degree angle from the horizontal. Then pour a drop of each sample of oil to compare at the high end and watch them race downhill.
After two or three tests,you will clearly see which oil has the higher or lower viscosity.
Moral of the story is basically this.The heavier the spool plus line,the thicker the oil needs to be to control it.All of this in conjunction with either adjustable or static magnets...
The reason I say that magnets are the go-to control mechanism is because magnets are not affected by heat .In other words on a sunny hot day the oil becomes thinner and temporarily loose some of its viscosity as it becomes ''thinner''
That,combined with a bit of a headwind could turn your controlled reel into a monster.
p.s Magnets,Oil and Brake-blocks are all three devoid of being affected by the bad timing of a babbelas ,LMAO
From the chart one can easily compare the different viscosities of the Rocket fuel ..A simple comparison test if all else fails or if one is uncertain would be to lay a piece of flat-glass at a 10-15 degree angle from the horizontal. Then pour a drop of each sample of oil to compare at the high end and watch them race downhill.
After two or three tests,you will clearly see which oil has the higher or lower viscosity.
Moral of the story is basically this.The heavier the spool plus line,the thicker the oil needs to be to control it.All of this in conjunction with either adjustable or static magnets...
The reason I say that magnets are the go-to control mechanism is because magnets are not affected by heat .In other words on a sunny hot day the oil becomes thinner and temporarily loose some of its viscosity as it becomes ''thinner''
That,combined with a bit of a headwind could turn your controlled reel into a monster.
p.s Magnets,Oil and Brake-blocks are all three devoid of being affected by the bad timing of a babbelas ,LMAO
