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[Dr halibut hoffman]

No need to get threatening..sealine not the place for it.

But telling everyone that you sold your catch ain't going to help you make any new freinds either. You just ignorantly sold a collective asset for a pitance of its real value which you are unaware of. Or you are stirring the pot, either way.

In the old days from fishermen here i hear about shoals in the past of leeries returning from the sardine run and spawn that were KILOMETERS long of large fish 10-30 kg. I long for a return to proper stock levels as hard as that is with the estauries as stuffed as they are, as far as the leervis is concerned EVERY large fish that is returned is important to the stock is what the scientists rate. Cry about litter as much as you want, it is the way it is.

 

[Bushcamp]

Nice fish - have never been lucky enough (actually, never in the right place) to see them big daggas. Plenty big Tunny though.

I was under the impression we (spearos) were not allowed to sell catch? I know a lot of guys sell, but was always under the impression they were a bit scaly ... Sold a lot of fish in Moz though ... one big tuna normally pays for our trips there.

 

[BigBen]

 

[BigBen]

Aiden wrote:

Matthiam wrote:

You are welcome to inbox me if you would like a private word with me.
I don't understand..... I'm not aloud to shoot under size fish but now legal size as well?
I shot these fish over an holiday
"Lets not kill the bulls as they are the ones breeding lets all kill calf's instead"  .
Well how many birds, turtles ocean plant and reed have you killed with your gut and hooks? I stay like right on the beach and can tell you that fishermen are filthy people, leaving there papers all around sardine boxes and rubbish... It gets really easy to complain about it if you don't first take a look at yourself and own doing!! 
FYI all fish you return don't always survive after you have reeled them in... Some are too tired after the fight you had with it that it cant swim away from predators and cant catch prey......

Ja boet, when you realise you messed up you're quick to change your tune. This is why you don't want me to call you?

Lets start with 2 kob, you are only allowed 1. Yes, YOU shot them as you stated in the quoted text.

On a recreational fishing license you aren't allowed to sell your fish.

If you want to brag about illegalities, you should expect to be judged, don't now try defend yourself by bad-mouthing recreational R&S anglers.
This is your topic, you are in the wrong here.

 

 

[tadeo]

.... NEver have I said I HAVE SHOT THEM. Had a partner diving with me..... SO the judging did not start from me


No comment on the killing of the fish but
Ai .another brag-gat with other peoples fish then ?

 

[Aiden]

In case someone is missing some info around 4th post...

 

[Matthiam]

Every year millions of anglers hit the water in search of fish and in doing so we sometimes unintentionally leave behind fishing line due to snags and break-offs. What you my not be considering when this happens is how this severely affects the wildlife that also uses that body of water.
Entanglement:
One of the major problems with fishing lines left adrift in aquatic environments is entanglement. Sea birds such as the osprey and pelican can become tangled up in fishing line. When this happens, they are unable to fly, making predatory hunting impossible. Without food, the animals inevitably die.
Swallowing Hooks:
Hooks left on fishing lines pose a particularly cruel and painful danger. According to the International Bird Rescue and Research Center, death by monofilament fishing line is slow and lingering. The hooks get caught up in the birds beaks, and the fishing line causes blockages and ligation of the alimentary canal.
Sea Lions and Turtles:
Fishing lines and nets that drift along the ocean floor are called "ghost nets." Every year, commercial fishing boats abandon fishing nets that can be miles in radius. These "ghost nets" kill everything in their path including fish, sea turtles, dolphins, seabirds and even whales.

I have killed a big cob.... What have you killed?

 

[Matthiam]

Catch and release is a conservation practice developed to prevent overharvest of fish stocks in the face of growing human populations, mounting fishing pressure, increasingly effective fishing tackle and techniques, inadequate fishing regulations and enforcement, and habitat degradation. Sports fishers have been practicing catch and release for decades, including with some highly pressured fish species. Proponents of catch and release dispute the suggestion that fish hooked in the mouth feel pain.[citation needed][/sup]
Opponents of catch and release point out that fish are highly evolved vertebrates that share many of the same neurological structures that, in humans, are associated with pain perception. They point to studies that show that, neurologically, fish are quite similar to so-called higher vertebrates and that blood chemistry reveals that hormones and blood metabolites associated with stress are quite high in fish struggling against hook and line. The idea that fish do not feel pain in their mouths has been studied at the University of Edinburgh and the Roslin Institute by injecting bee venom and acetic acid into the lips of rainbow trout; the fish responded by rubbing their lips along the sides and floors of their tanks in an effort to relieve themselves of the sensation.[9][/sup] Lead researcher Dr. Lynne Sneddon wrote, "Our research demonstrates nociception and suggests that noxious stimulation in the rainbow trout has adverse behavioral and physiological effects. This fulfils the criteria for animal pain." A recent (2014) paper provides a critique of existing studies that purport to demonstrate that fish feel pain. [2]
James D. Rose of the University of Wyoming argues this may demonstrate a chemical sensitivity rather than pain and that the evidence for pain sensation in fish is ambiguous.[10][/sup][11][/sup]
During an Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation study, up to 43 percent of fish released after being caught died within six days as a result of inadequate holding and weigh in procedures during tournaments.[12][/sup]

 

[Matthiam]

I can really go on about it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219543/Divers-help-Port-Botany-Shark-swam-cutting-large-fishing-lure-mouth-Botany-Bay.html

 

[tadeo]

I have not fallen off the fence yet..
But I agree with some of what you have stated here as far as pain and stress on a fish is concerned but as far as the fish dying ? nah ,that’s bull. I did see the up to 43% , and yes 0.01 is also on its way to 43. The beaches and dams would be full of floating fish.
Maybe your way of killing a fish is better. ( I only practice catch and release)
I think the point here was more about the conservation of the fish and the comment made of selling the fish ,which I’m sure you said in jest ?

 

[SimonSays]

What a pool-cleaner

 

[Matthiam]

Bag and size limits help to ensure our aquatic resources remain sustainable for future generations. While bag limits assist in sharing the resource, size limits allow fish to reach maturity to complete their breeding cycle. Measure all your fish and return undersized or excess fish alive to the water.

 

[Matthiam]

Im sure  some of you have seen one fisher man on the beach with 2-4 fishing Rods by himself....... Im sure they like to catch and release 4 times more than others...
i also have witnessed fisherman with a eel on the line... They just cut the line and leave it on the beach. " too scared to touch it or something like that"
Also all the BAIT you steal of the rocks to fish surly that will damage the system around that area....
I started diving about 2years ago. Started by taking all the sinkers and shit you leave in the ocean and selling it for scrap.... Now I have a complete setup of gear and all the licenses that I have to have for bugs and spearfishing......

 

[Sarasin3]

I think the point they are trying to make, is that you do not need to keep the BIGGEST beast cob you catch. They are the super breeders.

So anything over the size limit yes...as you stated, but bear in mind that the monsters are the super breeders.

Rather give them back to the sea.

1 cob that is size will feed you and your little family.
If more fish is needed to feed an extended family, then someone else in the family should catch one too.

In this case, you did not need it to feed yourselves as you stated you sold it. So you kept the monster fish as it would have brought you a pretty penny.

This is illegal as stated.

If you had kept it and ate....fair enough. The comments would have merely been about rather putting the big one back and keeping the smaller (but over the size limit) one for your braai.

 

[Hassan84]

:op:

 

[Matthiam]

How would you have stopped it from biting on your line?? I'm sure your line would've snapped?? Then it could have got entangled by your line and it could have died at the bottom of the ocean... Now that it has died on land AND it has been eaten , no waste, no suffering...
How many SUPER BREEDERS have died your way of fishing for nothing?

 

[Sarasin3]

Ai.....

So you came here to troll on rod fisherman now?

Or are you kicking up a fuss because they are requesting that you rather put a big one back?

You have no actual facts that releasing kills 43% of fish.

But you have stated that you SOLD it.

So I am not sure why you kicking up a fuss....to try and mask the fact that you sold it?

 

[Chicken of the Sea]

Matthiam PLEASE just stop you are just embarrassing yourself. Truly pathetic responses. You sound like you belong in Government with the way you are deflecting.

 

[Matthiam]

Off course wikipedia tells lies. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_release

Didn't say I sold it.....

If got a feeling that people get very jealous in here. 

Just say it.... Mine is bigger than your

 

[Hassan84]

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