Carpfinder18
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Does anybody still use night hawks and magnums anymore? And are they ok for specimen fishing?
Night hawks/ Magnums
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Carpfinder18
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So whats the diffrince to a bait runner and a coffie grinder?
Kingfisher-guy
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Well the centre pins have a one to one gear ratio where most baitrunners have about 5.3:1 gear ratios which make them much easier to retrieve line.
Check this link for some more infohttp://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=10946&forum_id=3
Check this link for some more infohttp://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=10946&forum_id=3
Hey Carpfinder.
Basically, a Baitrunner is a coffee grinder, although, there is one very important difference.
In terms of working it, there is very little difference between a bait runner and a traditional grinder. However, the bait runner does come with a latch, on the back, wich can be used to activate the "bait runner" feature.
When active, this feature allows the spool to be totally free moving, in other words, it spins with no resistance. This does not affect the drag setting on your reel however.
What this means is that you can have your drag set ready to fight a fish, but then activate the bait runner feature, and the spool will spin freely, regardless of how tight you set the drag. This means the fish can take line freely with no resistance, but when you hook it, and you de activate the bait runner(many reels do this by themselves when you wind line in), you will have your pre set drag ready and waiting to fight the fish.
An interesting fact is that "Bait Runner" is a trade mark of the Shimano Corporation. These reels were not designed for carp fishing, but rather for fishing with live baits. The puprose of the "Bait Runner" feature, was to allow the live bait to swim as it please, resulting in a very natural presentation.
Carp fisherman discovered that these reels generally speaking have a very good line capacity when compared to normal coffee grinders of the same size, and then adopted them.
Another great thing about the bait runner, is that because the reels gears get de activated when using the bait runner feature, they lend themselves excellently to the use of the "bolt rig", wich has been discussed on here before.
Since "bait runner" is a trade mark of Shimano, most other brands call themselves bait feeders. I have three Okuma Travertine bait feeds/runners, matched with three Penn Powerstick Pro Carp 13ft rods.
The Okuma's are great value for money. I use the "50" size, and they hold 500m of my chosen line. I would really say, rather spend a bit extra, and get yourself bait runners if you are serious about fishing for big carp.
They retrieve much faster than center pins, and for this reason alone are worth their weight in gold when fighting a big fish that wants to get into the weeds or structure.
The Shimano's are fantastic reels, but are alse very expensive. I got my Okuma Travertine's at R270.00 per reel. They hold much more line than the Shimano at the same price range, and are super smooth.
I hope what I said makes sense, and that you have a bit of an understanding of what the reels do, and why they are so important to specimen anglers.
If you need more help, just give me a shout, I'm no expert but I have done a lot of research on this topic when deciding which reels to buy.
Tight Lines,
Jared
Basically, a Baitrunner is a coffee grinder, although, there is one very important difference.
In terms of working it, there is very little difference between a bait runner and a traditional grinder. However, the bait runner does come with a latch, on the back, wich can be used to activate the "bait runner" feature.
When active, this feature allows the spool to be totally free moving, in other words, it spins with no resistance. This does not affect the drag setting on your reel however.
What this means is that you can have your drag set ready to fight a fish, but then activate the bait runner feature, and the spool will spin freely, regardless of how tight you set the drag. This means the fish can take line freely with no resistance, but when you hook it, and you de activate the bait runner(many reels do this by themselves when you wind line in), you will have your pre set drag ready and waiting to fight the fish.
An interesting fact is that "Bait Runner" is a trade mark of the Shimano Corporation. These reels were not designed for carp fishing, but rather for fishing with live baits. The puprose of the "Bait Runner" feature, was to allow the live bait to swim as it please, resulting in a very natural presentation.
Carp fisherman discovered that these reels generally speaking have a very good line capacity when compared to normal coffee grinders of the same size, and then adopted them.
Another great thing about the bait runner, is that because the reels gears get de activated when using the bait runner feature, they lend themselves excellently to the use of the "bolt rig", wich has been discussed on here before.
Since "bait runner" is a trade mark of Shimano, most other brands call themselves bait feeders. I have three Okuma Travertine bait feeds/runners, matched with three Penn Powerstick Pro Carp 13ft rods.
The Okuma's are great value for money. I use the "50" size, and they hold 500m of my chosen line. I would really say, rather spend a bit extra, and get yourself bait runners if you are serious about fishing for big carp.
They retrieve much faster than center pins, and for this reason alone are worth their weight in gold when fighting a big fish that wants to get into the weeds or structure.
The Shimano's are fantastic reels, but are alse very expensive. I got my Okuma Travertine's at R270.00 per reel. They hold much more line than the Shimano at the same price range, and are super smooth.
I hope what I said makes sense, and that you have a bit of an understanding of what the reels do, and why they are so important to specimen anglers.
If you need more help, just give me a shout, I'm no expert but I have done a lot of research on this topic when deciding which reels to buy.
Tight Lines,
Jared
Carpfinder18
Senior Member
Thanks alot ey it makes alot of sense but would like to go fishing 1 weekend with specimen carp fishers just to see how everyting works and to understand it more!
Kingfisher-guy
Senior Member
One positive thing ive noted about the C/pins though is that its lots of fun fighting the fish because of the 1:1 gear ratio and you feel it much better when the fish decides to turn around and pull off a couple of meters of line.
J-Bay, nice description of the baitrunner. I would however just like to add to it, The baitrunner when selected also has a drag adjustment system, the Shimano range has two drag systems, so, in specimen angling, if angling near snags, you can set the baitrunner drag so that the carp doesnt run off into the snag. the setting is from zero drag to max drag.
KFG... centre pins will never die! lol! and Im sure many an angler, no matter what fresh water angling he does will have vivid memories of being called in the wee hours of the morning when fish decided its dinner time, but they not very condusive to specimen angling, due to the ratio and not fitting newer rods as mentioned, Although having said that, I know some top specimen anglers who swear by them soley for margin angling.(max 30-50m in)
Most baitrunners ratios are around the 4:1 RANGE. apposed to the implied 1:1 on the centre pins.
A number of years ago, I caught a 10kg plus, 20m out in a river on a centre pin with light line (5 lb double X)once, he took off so bad and with the current, I could only turn him after about 50m peeled off, It took ages to land him, due to him spooking and me giving line and me reeling in slowly, not wanting to snap the light line and believe me after an hour of give and take, I was buggared, but a fight of a life time.... that was my last margin centre pin catch...sadly!
Now I only use Bait runners but I do miss the spine chilling and adrenalin pumping reel runs of centre pins.
KFG... centre pins will never die! lol! and Im sure many an angler, no matter what fresh water angling he does will have vivid memories of being called in the wee hours of the morning when fish decided its dinner time, but they not very condusive to specimen angling, due to the ratio and not fitting newer rods as mentioned, Although having said that, I know some top specimen anglers who swear by them soley for margin angling.(max 30-50m in)
Most baitrunners ratios are around the 4:1 RANGE. apposed to the implied 1:1 on the centre pins.
A number of years ago, I caught a 10kg plus, 20m out in a river on a centre pin with light line (5 lb double X)once, he took off so bad and with the current, I could only turn him after about 50m peeled off, It took ages to land him, due to him spooking and me giving line and me reeling in slowly, not wanting to snap the light line and believe me after an hour of give and take, I was buggared, but a fight of a life time.... that was my last margin centre pin catch...sadly!
Now I only use Bait runners but I do miss the spine chilling and adrenalin pumping reel runs of centre pins.
Carpfinder18
Senior Member
Thanks for all the info guys i apriciate all the advice yous guys give hey!! In the week iv been on here iv learnt more than what i have by trial and error! But i know its good to learn by trial and error!
Kingfisher-guy
Senior Member
Haha sealines just much easier and less frustrating haha
I'm abit late on this post, but what the hell.
I dont think centrepin reels are good for big carp fishing... will you be able to keep up with the carp if it swims towards you to keep the line fairly tight? and will you be able to reel fast enough to keep the fish out of snags? What if you need to fish out at 300m+... OUCH!!! hahaha.....
Maybe its ok to use a centrepin for close range fishing, lol.
I dont think centrepin reels are good for big carp fishing... will you be able to keep up with the carp if it swims towards you to keep the line fairly tight? and will you be able to reel fast enough to keep the fish out of snags? What if you need to fish out at 300m+... OUCH!!! hahaha.....
Maybe its ok to use a centrepin for close range fishing, lol.
the only thing that will put you in direct contact with the fish is braid on any reel. i think i get what peeto is trying to say though. you are one on one with the fish,the fight is inch for inch. no extra bearings etc to help you. however its a no go (imo) for range fishing. maybe an 8" kp scarborough that they use for deep sea bottom fishing. its around a meter a turn i think....lol