need a solution

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roland

Sealiner
i know this should be under another thread but need alot of answers here and this is then the place to post :fbash



my problem:


im casting a 4ounce further with a 12ft loomis than a 6ouce with the 14ft purglas using the same reel on both rods with the cast control untouched on both.



why is this??????



the longer rod maybe too heavy and long for me? it really baffles me .
 
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doogs

New member
Hi roland it may be that you are not loading the 14ft as much as the 12ft it could be that the 14ft is not suited to you eithe to long or two heavy .Just my 2c im no expert on these things im sure one of the other members who know there stuff will help you out.good luck
 
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kitefisher

Sealiner
Roland

It may well be a couple of things,you could be right in that the longer rod is not right for you.Without going into it tooo much as not many people like hearing it,but,truth be told ,most anglers,repeat most anglers will cast better with a shorter rod than a longer one.The simple reason for this is that they can move the shorter rod faster thus generating more speed on the lead. It is also easier to get timing right and more forgiving as such.

However as tecnique improves over time ,and after some good old sweat and pain ,the longer rod will overtake the shorter ,up to a point where the physical capabilities of the angler comes into play.

The fact that you are casting 4 oz on the 12 ft may also play a role,have you tried casting perhaps 5 oz on the longer rod,as your tecnique at present may not generate enough speed on the 6oz lead.

Go out and try casting a 5 oz on the longer rod and compare again,overwinds should not really be more because you mentioned that you use the same reel and line for both rods,so if you can cast 4oz on 12 ft ,there's really no reason why going lighter on the longer rod should give you an overwind.Unless you generate more speed with the longer rod .,which you are not at present because your distances shows it.

Just go out and try it and then compare again.Let us know and we 'll take it from there again.

As a case in point ,Through the years I know of many instances where anglers would outcast  their Purglas 400's with a same stroke Purglas in a 350 length.

Ultimately,It may also be that your 12 ft and 4 oz is a perfect marriage ,and you may have yet to find that perfect marriage between lead and rod on the longer set-up.  

Before I forget,what also happens is that an angler puts on a heavier lead,and now thinks that he has to murder it to get it away,instead of just repeating the cast which comes natural to him,and letting the heavier sinker do its job,carrying line further due to momentum.This extra effort invariably leads to poor tecnique,with resultant loss of distance or overwind the nett result.
 
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roland

Sealiner
kitefisher wrote:
Roland

It may well be a couple of things,you could be right in that the longer rod is not right for you.Without going into it tooo much as not many people like hearing it,but,truth be told ,most anglers,repeat most anglers will cast better with a shorter rod than a longer one.The simple reason for this is that they can move the shorter rod faster thus generating more speed on the lead. It is also easier to get timing right and more forgiving as such.

However as tecnique improves over time ,and after some good old sweat and pain ,the longer rod will overtake the shorter ,up to a point where the physical capabilities of the angler comes into play.

The fact that you are casting 4 oz on the 12 ft may also play a role,have you tried casting perhaps 5 oz on the longer rod,as your tecnique at present may not generate enough speed on the 6oz lead.

Go out and try casting a 5 oz on the longer rod and compare again,overwinds should not really be more because you mentioned that you use the same reel and line for both rods,so if you can cast 4oz on 12 ft ,there's really no reason why going lighter on the longer rod should give you an overwind.Unless you generate more speed with the longer rod .,which you are not at present because your distances shows it.

Just go out and try it and then compare again.Let us know and we 'll take it from there again.

As a case in point ,Through the years I know of many instances where anglers would outcast  their Purglas 400's with a same stroke Purglas in a 350 length.

Ultimately,It may also be that your 12 ft and 4 oz is a perfect marriage ,and you may have yet to find that perfect marriage between lead and rod on the longer set-up.  

Before I forget,what also happens is that an angler puts on a heavier lead,and now thinks that he has to murder it to get it away,instead of just repeating the cast which comes natural to him,and letting the heavier sinker do its job,carrying line further due to momentum.This extra effort invariably leads to poor tecnique,with resultant loss of distance or overwind the nett result.
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ive tried that. felt better but with that comes another predicament , i cast most of my baits, head flaps etc, big baits cos im not keen on sliding from the beach. the part of the action sounds true cos i can feel a difference in swinging the 2 rods, i feel unbalanced with the longer one. maybe im trying to cast too hard to get more distance? specially when loaded with a mullet head lol. ive tried various stances when casting and one thats starting to work for me is almost a sideways swing where i use my hips lol. is there a specific way to swing/cast longer rods as too the shorter ones?
 
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roland

Sealiner
kitefisher wrote:
Roland

It may well be a couple of things,you could be right in that the longer rod is not right for you.Without going into it tooo much as not many people like hearing it,but,truth be told ,most anglers,repeat most anglers will cast better with a shorter rod than a longer one.The simple reason for this is that they can move the shorter rod faster thus generating more speed on the lead. It is also easier to get timing right and more forgiving as such.

However as tecnique improves over time ,and after some good old sweat and pain ,the longer rod will overtake the shorter ,up to a point where the physical capabilities of the angler comes into play.

The fact that you are casting 4 oz on the 12 ft may also play a role,have you tried casting perhaps 5 oz on the longer rod,as your tecnique at present may not generate enough speed on the 6oz lead.

Go out and try casting a 5 oz on the longer rod and compare again,overwinds should not really be more because you mentioned that you use the same reel and line for both rods,so if you can cast 4oz on 12 ft ,there's really no reason why going lighter on the longer rod should give you an overwind.Unless you generate more speed with the longer rod .,which you are not at present because your distances shows it.

Just go out and try it and then compare again.Let us know and we 'll take it from there again.

As a case in point ,Through the years I know of many instances where anglers would outcast  their Purglas 400's with a same stroke Purglas in a 350 length.

Ultimately,It may also be that your 12 ft and 4 oz is a perfect marriage ,and you may have yet to find that perfect marriage between lead and rod on the longer set-up.  

Before I forget,what also happens is that an angler puts on a heavier lead,and now thinks that he has to murder it to get it away,instead of just repeating the cast which comes natural to him,and letting the heavier sinker do its job,carrying line further due to momentum.This extra effort invariably leads to poor tecnique,with resultant loss of distance or overwind the nett result.
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ahhh


you edited as i asked the same Q lol. it makes sense. thats my problem. trying too hard to smack heavier loads??
 
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ChrisBoon

New member
KF really good answer. I have a 14'rod and a 13ft. My son has a 15'rod. I cannot cast the 15' and do quite well on the 14'but my best distance is with the 13ft rod. It may also be that the 14'rod and reel are not balanced. The 15'rod feels very uncomfortable in my hands and not suited for my style of casting.
 
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kitefisher

Sealiner
Roland ,I will go as far as to say that any cast that uses your hips is one with potential. If you watch great casters,of which this country arguably has the most per capita,you will notice one thing in common ,they all use body rotation .Use your side on stance it is the most simple and basic stance,then rotate your upper body,followed by your hips away from target to a position which make you feel loaded like a spring,dont overdo it ,go to your max,and then come back a little.

Make this your starting point,and just reverse the steps above,uncoiling your hips and upperbody,do not rush this especially with the long rod,let the rod do the work .Its length will give it a bigger arc,which will generate more speed,and let the lead travel faster and go further as a result.You will note a natural weight transition from your front foot to backfoot,and back to front foot during the cast,it neednt be exagerated,especially off the bricks,but it does aid in distance.much like a golf-swing.

If flapped makkie's,or mullet are your preffered cast bait,then make the flaps shorter,and or flap only one side.Dont make the bait to bulky unless it is absolutely necessary,or untill such time as you can cast it comfortably,which I can assure you will come with practice,Fish within your own limitations and compete only against yourself for the time being,become the best caster that you can be,not better than X,Y or Z,,untill you feel confident enough to do otherwise.
 
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roland

Sealiner
kitefisher wrote:
Roland ,I will go as far as to say that any cast that uses your hips is one with potential. If you watch great casters,of which this country arguably has the most per capita,you will notice one thing in common ,they all use body rotation .Use your side on stance it is the most simple and basic stance,then rotate your upper body,followed by your hips away from target to a position which make you feel loaded like a spring,dont overdo it ,go to your max,and then come back a little.

Make this your starting point,and just reverse the steps above,uncoiling your hips and upperbody,do not rush this especially with the long rod,let the rod do the work .Its length will give it a bigger arc,which will generate more speed,and let the lead travel faster and go further as a result.You will note a natural weight transition from your front foot to backfoot,and back to front foot during the cast,it neednt be exagerated,especially off the bricks,but it does aid in distance.much like a golf-swing.

If flapped makkie's,or mullet are your preffered cast bait,then make the flaps shorter,and or flap only one side.Dont make the bait to bulky unless it is absolutely necessary,or untill such time as you can cast it comfortably,which I can assure you will come with practice,Fish within your own limitations and compete only against yourself for the time being,become the best caster that you can be,not better than X,Y or Z,,untill you feel confident enough to do otherwise.
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guess what im doing tomorrow lol. thanks for all the tips. gona have a few throws and let you know how it goes.


ps: reel used for this is a penn 990 . will try with the elbe tomorrow but the i must be prepared to do some untangling haha
 
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roland

Sealiner
ChrisBoon wrote:
KF really good answer. I have a 14'rod and a 13ft. My son has a 15'rod. I cannot cast the 15' and do quite well on the 14'but my best distance is with the 13ft rod. It may also be that the 14'rod and reel are not balanced. The 15'rod feels very uncomfortable in my hands and not suited for my style of casting.
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im using a penn990 on the long rod
 
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tsp

New member
Hey roland, I too have a 12ft and 14ft rod, use the same reel on both sometimes. Try filling your reel up with line (if u haven't already done so). Just doing that got me about 30m extra on either rod. You reel works alot better when full of line, as opposed to 3/4 full or half full.
 
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pietman

Senior Member
Roland probeer om jou regterhand so ver as moontlik teen die stok op te sit as jy gooi. sodra die stok voor jou is kan die hand altyd bietjie terugkom. Onthou dat die linkerarm ook moet werk Soos in gholf en krieket
 
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Feesh

Senior Member
Practice, Practice . . .

What's the difference between a pro Golfer like Ernie and a amateur? The amateur will go to the driving range to practice his swing until he eventually gets it right. Ernie will go to the driving range and practice until he eventually doesn't get it wrong anymore!!
 
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