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Slimy Salamander

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Herman Nel wrote:
Jacques - bad service from my side yes...guilty , fraudster no...
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That can be debated.


Herman Nel wrote:
...lets not get into mudslinging etc with fellow members, one of the main purposes of sealine is to promote the sport, exchange ideas etc etc...
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I'm defending myself against the rubbish BigBen wrote, because he made assumptions without knowing the facts.


Herman Nel wrote:
I make lures for the satisfaction it brings to catch a fish on something you designed and made yourself...not financial gain, I in fact make very little profit of my lures if you consider the components and materials I use,I even import stuff that I use...this specific lure is by far one of the most complex lures to make, but it works and various big barbel have fallen victim to it.
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Don't sell them online then and it's not my fault you added too little profit. You gave me your price and I paid it, I didn't come up with the selling price. If you came back to me and said the component prices went up and you needed x amount extra I would have paid it.


Herman Nel wrote:
I have been making lures for quite some time and have registered various patents and trademarks, I was even invited ago to the I-cast convention in Las Vegas 2 years ago ( but did not attend due to $ ).
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I know you have talent and make good lures and that is why I preferred them over the refund in the first place. If only you stuck with the agreement everyone would have been happy.


Herman Nel wrote:
I have also made lures for guys and send them off, and never got paid for them, that's why I prefer getting money up front...
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What goes around comes around...


Herman Nel wrote:
So, yes I messed up this order, I do apologize, but I am not a fraudster and will continue to experiment and create new lures and wacky ideas...
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Good luck and all the best.
 
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SimonSays

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Herman Nel wrote:
simon says...looks like you finally figured out how to google...well done!

I have done more and contributed far more to the art of fishing / bass fishing than you can comprehend or will ever achieve...I suggest you stop posting mails etc that DOES NOT really concern you...
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I am a bit surprised that more Sealine members did not get involved in pressurising you to make good on your obligation! You haven't done so yet but I am sure you will...
You're obviously a well respected and well known member of the bass fishing fraternity - you're track record speaks for itself. But would you have done anything to remedy this situation if you were not pressured to do so, I think not.
So - mission accomplished, well that's if you do what you said you would do this time...
 
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Slimy Salamander

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Tjoe tough crowd here..Slow maybe, scammer I don't know. The guy offered to refund you way back, and you turned him down. He has offered to refund you again, if he does you owe him to reply back here that he is not a scammer, but just slack. Big difference there. If he sends you free lures, grab them, he is just making up for bad service with better service and it shows good intention that scammers do not possess. I'm with big ben.

Hope you get sorted, if you do, stop complaining and make right?
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Read my reply to BigBen's message. I only declined his refund because he said he will ship the lures. I will not "grab" free lures, I pay for the stuff I want no matter how bad the service is. I have certain standards and values I live by.

I don't owe him anything, he owes me remember. If he does refund me I will post about it here, but will NEVER apologise for anything as I did NOTHING wrong.
 
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Dr halibut hoffman

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Well you did call him a scammer in a public forum where he may not actually have been trying to scam you and is trying to make right. That is not yet concluded. I do not know or have no affiliation with herman but he does not sound like a scammer to me here in his conduct. That said, actions speak louder than words I know so like I said, if you get sorted, make right too. He offered to refund you and send lures for free, I say take him up on his offer, not for you but for Herman..not because you owe him that but just to help clear his name which you've muddied. He obviously cares about his reputation which scammers do not, so IMO don't be so sour, grab the lures he offers you, let him refund you and go fishing with them, that's the point... and then chillax and he and you will sleep better at night for it.

You have not done anything wrong, but if your bucks lands up back in your account, then he did not scam you and then you would have done wrong with a previous now false accusation. Hypothetically. Or whatever haha.. Just saying..this is what it looks like from the outside.
 
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BigBen

Sealiner
Herman Nel wrote:
simon says...looks like you finally figured out how to google...well done!

I have done more and contributed far more to the art of fishing / bass fishing than you can comprehend or will ever achieve...I suggest you stop posting mails etc that DOES NOT really concern you...
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Herman clearly ur apology is not accepted by these to goons out to defame your name..

I see a in you a 'bad businessman' who cannot deliver on a prepaid order.

You clearly want to give the money back and you already offered an apology here publicly...

Slimey and Simon are 2 peas of the same pod...

Admin shud actually delete this thread as its not 'bout the lures any longer...

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Dr halibut hoffman

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To put it into perspective, I received worse service than this from the local Fin Nor agents, waiting for a part under warranty for an almost new reel for over 8 months. After promises and promises and speaking to the local guy directly a few times and being really miffed about the reel I got it back from the shop who had been begging these guys for the part for months and got hold of zebco international directly. Within the week they had gone out of their way to sort me with express courier of the part, freebies and vouchers thrown in, I was very happy and their reputation was redeemed. I bitched about them online before and now I tell people just to avoid the local agents for warranty issues and I love my reel so all great. Anyway point is it could have seemed like I was scammed at any point until they saved their reputation in my eyes and I give them that. No need to get grey hairs over it though.
 
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SimonSays

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Well you did call him a scammer in a public forum where he may not actually have been trying to scam you and is trying to make right. That is not yet concluded. I do not know or have no affiliation with herman but he does not sound like a scammer to me here in his conduct. That said, actions speak louder than words I know so like I said, if you get sorted, make right too. He offered to refund you and send lures for free, I say take him up on his offer, not for you but for Herman..not because you owe him that but just to help clear his name which you've muddied. He obviously cares about his reputation which scammers do not, so IMO don't be so sour, grab the lures he offers you, let him refund you, go fishing with them and chillax and he and you will sleep better at night.

You have not done anything wrong, but if your bucks lands up back in your account, then he did not scam you and then you would have done wrong with a previous now false accusation. Hypothetically. Or whatever haha.. Just saying..this is what it looks like from the outside.
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Dr - if actions speak louder than words then what do Herman's actions say? Even if he makes good on his obligation (after it seems about 9months) he has been dishonest.
BTW - I had all of his details previous to becoming involved in this thread (yes I googled them:) because I was intending to order lures for myself and some friends for a trip we are planning at the end of this year. Thank goodness I saw this thread and will obviously get our lures somewhere else.
Thanks Slimy...
 
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Slimy Salamander

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Well you did call him a scammer in a public forum where he may not actually have been trying to scam you and is trying to make right. I do not know or have no affiliation with herman but that does not sound like a scammer to me. That said, actions speak louder than words I know so like I said, if you get sorted, make right too. He offered to refund you and send lures for free, I say take him up on his offer, not for you but for Herman..not because you owe him that but just to help clear his name which you've muddied. He obviously cares about his reputation which scammers do not, so IMO don't be so sour, grab the lures he offers you, let him refund you, go fishing with them and chillax and he and you will sleep better at night.

You have not done anything wrong, but if your bucks lands up back in your account, then he did not scam you and then you would have done wrong with a previous now false accusation. Hypothetically. Or whatever haha.. Just saying..this is what it looks like from the outside.
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At the moment I still consider him to be a scammer as I paid for something which I only partially received, so technically he scammed me for 7 out of the 8 lures I purchased.

He was ignoring my emails until I confronted him about it here on the forum. I have all the email and SMS messages on record, so I can back up what I'm saying here.

If he does refund me, he will no longer be a scammer technically.

Yes, his reputation might be ruined, but he did it himself.
 
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BigBen

Sealiner
One thing is clear...Herman must be makin one damn good lure if SS dont wana let go of them in the light of bad service vs refund...
 

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Dr halibut hoffman

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LOL Ja send me one of them if they go unclaimed.. That roepstok thing seems like a moerse JOL!!! Actually I'll take 2..!! :) You know good lures you always wish you had a backup when the bugger gets stolen by a seemonster.
 
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BigBen

Sealiner
Slimy Salamander wrote:
Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Well you did call him a scammer in a public forum where he may not actually have been trying to scam you and is trying to make right. I do not know or have no affiliation with herman but that does not sound like a scammer to me. That said, actions speak louder than words I know so like I said, if you get sorted, make right too. He offered to refund you and send lures for free, I say take him up on his offer, not for you but for Herman..not because you owe him that but just to help clear his name which you've muddied. He obviously cares about his reputation which scammers do not, so IMO don't be so sour, grab the lures he offers you, let him refund you, go fishing with them and chillax and he and you will sleep better at night.

You have not done anything wrong, but if your bucks lands up back in your account, then he did not scam you and then you would have done wrong with a previous now false accusation. Hypothetically. Or whatever haha.. Just saying..this is what it looks like from the outside.
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At the moment I still consider him to be a scammer as I paid for something which I only partially received, so technically he scammed me for 7 out of the 8 lures I purchased.

He was ignoring my emails until I confronted him about it here on the forum. I have all the email and SMS messages on record, so I can back up what I'm saying here.

If he does refund me, he will no longer be a scammer technically.

Yes, his reputation might be ruined, but he did it himself.
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And in return you will publicaly withdraw that statement and offer Herman an apology..
 
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Slimy Salamander

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BigBen wrote:
Herman Nel wrote:
simon says...looks like you finally figured out how to google...well done!

I have done more and contributed far more to the art of fishing / bass fishing than you can comprehend or will ever achieve...I suggest you stop posting mails etc that DOES NOT really concern you...
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Herman clearly ur apology is not accepted by these to goons out to defame your name..

I see a in you a 'bad businessman' who cannot deliver on a prepaid order.

You clearly want to give the money back and you already offered an apology here publicly...

Slimey and Simon are 2 peas of the same pod...

Admin shud actually delete this thread as its not 'bout the lures any longer...

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You clearly don't see the issue we have here, it's not about accepting his apologies anymore, it's about getting him to deliver on his promises.

I really hope Admin do not delete this thread until it's resolved, because the pressure here is all that keeps Herman from ignoring me.

You are calling me a goon for taking on Herman because he ran away with my money? Wow, says allot about you.
 
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Slimy Salamander

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BigBen wrote:
Slimy Salamander wrote:
Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Well you did call him a scammer in a public forum where he may not actually have been trying to scam you and is trying to make right. I do not know or have no affiliation with herman but that does not sound like a scammer to me. That said, actions speak louder than words I know so like I said, if you get sorted, make right too. He offered to refund you and send lures for free, I say take him up on his offer, not for you but for Herman..not because you owe him that but just to help clear his name which you've muddied. He obviously cares about his reputation which scammers do not, so IMO don't be so sour, grab the lures he offers you, let him refund you, go fishing with them and chillax and he and you will sleep better at night.

You have not done anything wrong, but if your bucks lands up back in your account, then he did not scam you and then you would have done wrong with a previous now false accusation. Hypothetically. Or whatever haha.. Just saying..this is what it looks like from the outside.
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At the moment I still consider him to be a scammer as I paid for something which I only partially received, so technically he scammed me for 7 out of the 8 lures I purchased.

He was ignoring my emails until I confronted him about it here on the forum. I have all the email and SMS messages on record, so I can back up what I'm saying here.

If he does refund me, he will no longer be a scammer technically.

Yes, his reputation might be ruined, but he did it himself.
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And in return you will publicaly withdraw that statement and offer Herman an apology..
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For calling him a scammer, yes.
 
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BigBen

Sealiner
Did you do as per post 33...If so

Wait for your money 2morow in your account.

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BigBen

Sealiner
@ Herman.....get ur sheet together and become a better businessman.

From the testimony of an agro customer you clearly have a good product going for you..
 

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BigBen

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HERMAN net vir jou man...freakin hell man make good on your promises..
 

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