Kayak safety equipment [list] [*]Small firs
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To Nielg
Thanks for the valueable info. I think when it come to sea you should be more than just carefull.
I've seen what the sea can do and how fast good times can go bad. When that happens I would like to be as prepared as possible.
For this thread
I think its selfish to be a cowboy. If you kill yourself out there you are dead and gone but what about the people you leave behind????
To everybody on Sealine
I am really getting SICK and tired of the personal attacks on Sealine. If we were standing around chatting on the beach will eveybody still attack one another???
Has Sealine turned into a place where you vent frustration or are we just checking to see who has the longest rod?
Come on guys, lets show some mutual respect and sometimes agree to disagree without getting personal.
Thanks for the valueable info. I think when it come to sea you should be more than just carefull.
I've seen what the sea can do and how fast good times can go bad. When that happens I would like to be as prepared as possible.
For this thread
I think its selfish to be a cowboy. If you kill yourself out there you are dead and gone but what about the people you leave behind????
To everybody on Sealine
I am really getting SICK and tired of the personal attacks on Sealine. If we were standing around chatting on the beach will eveybody still attack one another???
Has Sealine turned into a place where you vent frustration or are we just checking to see who has the longest rod?
Come on guys, lets show some mutual respect and sometimes agree to disagree without getting personal.
Danie Burger
Senior Member
Thank you Woerman, excactly what I was trying to say as well
Club / Association, same thing. you are still a member aren't you ? And it's supposed to be country wide isn't it, so how many clubs are associated with this association ? Are there any clubs associated ?
I'll give him a call tomorrow ...
And since you didn't reply to the rest, I will presume you have now seen the light and realised that I am right.
I'll give him a call tomorrow ...
And since you didn't reply to the rest, I will presume you have now seen the light and realised that I am right.
If SAKFA and SAMSA are in agreement as to what needs to be carried, then they should implement it, before someone comes up with a long list and makes it law.
What I have found with SAMSA is that a lot of their employees are merchant shipping guys, who do not understand small vessel needs.
The unfortunate thing is that the list needs to be for the whole of SA and conditions differ, so the minnimum list gets longer.
The SAKFA list sounds fine to me, as long as the common sense prevails in the navy we called it CDF. ( that acronym will get me into trouble )
What I have found with SAMSA is that a lot of their employees are merchant shipping guys, who do not understand small vessel needs.
The unfortunate thing is that the list needs to be for the whole of SA and conditions differ, so the minnimum list gets longer.
The SAKFA list sounds fine to me, as long as the common sense prevails in the navy we called it CDF. ( that acronym will get me into trouble )
Beerracuda
Senior Member
WWFisherman
Senior Member
neilg wrote:
"On a kayak you have a VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT,
"
I was thinking about this the other day, is there a device that could expand your footprint for search conditions? For example, a bright yellow (dayglo) sheet that unfolds to five square metres and has a small inflatable tube around the edges so that it floats?
With regards to the flag suggestion, why not just keep a dayglo flag in the hatch that can be attached to one of your trolling rods if necessary.
In terms of safety equipment and being separated from your ski, I'm working on a small, bouyant pack that I can tie to my lifejacket so that if I get washed off, the kit comes with me (water, energy bars, beanie, pencil flares, etc.)
Agree with you 100% on this one.
"On a kayak you have a VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT,
"
I was thinking about this the other day, is there a device that could expand your footprint for search conditions? For example, a bright yellow (dayglo) sheet that unfolds to five square metres and has a small inflatable tube around the edges so that it floats?
With regards to the flag suggestion, why not just keep a dayglo flag in the hatch that can be attached to one of your trolling rods if necessary.
In terms of safety equipment and being separated from your ski, I'm working on a small, bouyant pack that I can tie to my lifejacket so that if I get washed off, the kit comes with me (water, energy bars, beanie, pencil flares, etc.)
neilg wrote:
Att – NeilG
This will be my last post on this thread. Firstly , like it or not SAKFA was formed with the best interests of kayak fishing at heart and we will continue to talk to SAMSA like we have been doing . I must appologise for using the words “South African†in the SAKFA name….should the following sporting bodies have consulted you first ? - SASACC,SAMLA,SAFBAF,SAFALFA,SACSCA,SAFSSA,SARFFA,SABAA,SAALAA,SADSAA,SALTBAA,SASAA,SAUFF , SAMLA….by the way these bodies are all fishing related. The saying “walk before you run “ comes to mind so we had to start somewhere and why not in KZN ?
You can copy /paste as many NSVSR regs into your posts as you like but you are going to find the kayak fishing part a grey area ,like wise with the surf skis. Due to this very fact ( and others) we formed SAKFA . We presently only exsist in KZN but obviously hope to expand to other provinces . SAKFA has only really been going for just over a year and continues to grow here slowly . You already have our letter so there is no need for me to explain again . The reason given to us for the offshore limit of 1000 metres was due to the fact that if we wanted more we would need to go into category E which entails a whole lot more red tape . The offshore limit doesn’t always suit us but then again the national speed limit is 120km/h and that’s why there are speedtraps….We are allowed to go over the limit for controlled events and have to apply for it .
I also contact Billy Harker who runs the National surf ski series and his reply to the safety story was -
1. Social paddling - Life Jacket + Cell Phone and Leash if Paddling alone
2. Organised events – Event Organisers Set Min Safety Requirements Life Jacket + Cell Phone and Leash
I then contacted Gary Clark from ERICS Canoe shop who stated that most events now are insisting on a pencil flare in addition to the above ..looks like to me we have more in place than them and they are a much bigger body than us.
Now please tell me where in the NSVSR will you find these regs ? You wont so I foresee in the near future that things could get gazetted for all of us .. SAKFA,s long term vision would be too see inter comps between provinces like SADSAA do and due to the fact we fall under SASCOC there is possibilities of anglers fishing for national colours . We are meeting with SAMSA again next week.
The following is what SAMSA recommends based our dealings with SAKFA –
PFD
750ml water
10metres rope
Bailing device - (collapsible for space issues)
Projectile flare set
Over & above this minimum we reccomend that the paddler has -
Cellphone
Paddle leash
Advised someone where he is launching and what route he intends taking
A boat sticker with an emergency number on that should his boat be found by say the NSRI ,they can alert the paddlers next of kin
Checked weather reports prior to launching
Common sense
OVER & OUT
Att – NeilG
This will be my last post on this thread. Firstly , like it or not SAKFA was formed with the best interests of kayak fishing at heart and we will continue to talk to SAMSA like we have been doing . I must appologise for using the words “South African†in the SAKFA name….should the following sporting bodies have consulted you first ? - SASACC,SAMLA,SAFBAF,SAFALFA,SACSCA,SAFSSA,SARFFA,SABAA,SAALAA,SADSAA,SALTBAA,SASAA,SAUFF , SAMLA….by the way these bodies are all fishing related. The saying “walk before you run “ comes to mind so we had to start somewhere and why not in KZN ?
You can copy /paste as many NSVSR regs into your posts as you like but you are going to find the kayak fishing part a grey area ,like wise with the surf skis. Due to this very fact ( and others) we formed SAKFA . We presently only exsist in KZN but obviously hope to expand to other provinces . SAKFA has only really been going for just over a year and continues to grow here slowly . You already have our letter so there is no need for me to explain again . The reason given to us for the offshore limit of 1000 metres was due to the fact that if we wanted more we would need to go into category E which entails a whole lot more red tape . The offshore limit doesn’t always suit us but then again the national speed limit is 120km/h and that’s why there are speedtraps….We are allowed to go over the limit for controlled events and have to apply for it .
I also contact Billy Harker who runs the National surf ski series and his reply to the safety story was -
1. Social paddling - Life Jacket + Cell Phone and Leash if Paddling alone
2. Organised events – Event Organisers Set Min Safety Requirements Life Jacket + Cell Phone and Leash
I then contacted Gary Clark from ERICS Canoe shop who stated that most events now are insisting on a pencil flare in addition to the above ..looks like to me we have more in place than them and they are a much bigger body than us.
Now please tell me where in the NSVSR will you find these regs ? You wont so I foresee in the near future that things could get gazetted for all of us .. SAKFA,s long term vision would be too see inter comps between provinces like SADSAA do and due to the fact we fall under SASCOC there is possibilities of anglers fishing for national colours . We are meeting with SAMSA again next week.
The following is what SAMSA recommends based our dealings with SAKFA –
PFD
750ml water
10metres rope
Bailing device - (collapsible for space issues)
Projectile flare set
Over & above this minimum we reccomend that the paddler has -
Cellphone
Paddle leash
Advised someone where he is launching and what route he intends taking
A boat sticker with an emergency number on that should his boat be found by say the NSRI ,they can alert the paddlers next of kin
Checked weather reports prior to launching
Common sense
OVER & OUT
WWFisherman
Senior Member
MOGGY wrote:
The point is, and I think this sums up the point of Sealine, someone has posted his opinion and his advice. Basically use it, don't use it. It's up to the individual. If you feel you're too experienced for his suggestions then gloss over it. He's not writing the law, merely providing his viewpoint.
Somewhere along the line, you and MichaelK and others started resorting to the name calling stuff, which is pretty lame. You guys have useful information to share as well, which gets undermined when you all start throwing handbags.
Just remember, arguing over the internet is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded.
You guys finished comparing dick sizes yet? Look, maybe I'm a bit biased because I've received so much useful advice on other fishing topics from Neil previously. If you'd read his posts you'd know that the guy is thorough and likes to leave NOTHING to chance. My perception is that he doesn't have anything against the sport but against guys that take it up on impulse, buy a ski and head out to sea without even training on a dam first. That said, you still get the experienced guys that are gung-ho. You will in any sport (you've heard the saying "there are bold pilots and old pilots").
The point is, and I think this sums up the point of Sealine, someone has posted his opinion and his advice. Basically use it, don't use it. It's up to the individual. If you feel you're too experienced for his suggestions then gloss over it. He's not writing the law, merely providing his viewpoint.
Somewhere along the line, you and MichaelK and others started resorting to the name calling stuff, which is pretty lame. You guys have useful information to share as well, which gets undermined when you all start throwing handbags.
Just remember, arguing over the internet is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded.
WWFisherman wrote:
You must be the prize chop on Sealine. Who gives you the right to call participants in the Special Olympics RETARDS??? You just said it all. Way to go genius. Do you have family or friends who are disabled?? As to men comparing the size of the genitals here on this forum I think you language is in appropriate. Sir, I think you are way out of line.
WWFisherman
Senior Member
tauruck wrote:
Yeah, you're right. Sorry about the "retards" comment. It was supposed to be a humorous analogy not a jibe at the disabled.
But come on, Tauruck, "***" is hardly inappropriate language. Settle down, I'm not here to argue with you guys, just pointing out how petty this all is. The jibe about the **** size contest (I don't know, man, saying **** to a bunch of guys just sounds creepy, can't I go back to "****") was aimed at everyone.
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Yeah, you're right. Sorry about the "retards" comment. It was supposed to be a humorous analogy not a jibe at the disabled.
But come on, Tauruck, "***" is hardly inappropriate language. Settle down, I'm not here to argue with you guys, just pointing out how petty this all is. The jibe about the **** size contest (I don't know, man, saying **** to a bunch of guys just sounds creepy, can't I go back to "****") was aimed at everyone.
This discussion and language is inappropriate for a FAMILY site.
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