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Polychaete
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Welcome to Sealine Justie.
THE JOKES ON ME
When I saw a question on Carp, and Land Locked as the last reply, I thought "hehehe I knew he also fishes for Carp and will have some good advice
" See how wrong I can be!
With all due respect for my fellow member and keeper of the Chat room.
Visit the Chat room if you have no idea what this is about..I don't either.
It is Friday evening after all.
Sorry for hijacking this thread, I can unfortunately not say anything sensible about the topic but sure someone will help you.
THE JOKES ON ME
When I saw a question on Carp, and Land Locked as the last reply, I thought "hehehe I knew he also fishes for Carp and will have some good advice
" See how wrong I can be!With all due respect for my fellow member and keeper of the Chat room.
Visit the Chat room if you have no idea what this is about
..I don't either.It is Friday evening after all.
Sorry for hijacking this thread, I can unfortunately not say anything sensible about the topic but sure someone will help you.
Land Locked
Senior Member
Sorry still tp::
[color="#006600"]Polychaete[/color] wrote:
tp::[color="#006600"]Polychaete[/color] wrote:
Exactly how wrong is scary. LL doesn't do carp, sies. Disgusting creatures. Though ryan is trying to convince me that carp can be fun on artlure.THE JOKES ON ME
When I saw a question on Carp, and Land Locked as the last reply, I thought "hehehe I knew he also fishes for Carp and will have some good advice
Little Green Fish
Sealiner
Yah sis on you LL for being tp:: says the Sealine :clow
Anyhows, on the Question of where the big Carp are?
Well this is the thing, Roodeplaat does have Monsters. 4-6 weeks ago I saw 3 carps of over 12 kg's, biggest 15.something kg's in a net on the back of a guy's boat, and thats just the thing, you need to have a boat to get to those kind of fish, if you have one let me know and i can sort of direct you to where those blokes hokked the fish BTW they caught 16 over the 10kg's that day.
Having said that, my one friend dragged a 11kg+ fish out there and my biggest carp caught was also at Roodeplaat 6,7 or 6,8 kg's, so yes Roodeplaat does have huge carp's, but the vaal is also know for the monsters that swims around there, i've heard.
LGF
tp:: says the Sealine :clow Anyhows, on the Question of where the big Carp are?
Well this is the thing, Roodeplaat does have Monsters. 4-6 weeks ago I saw 3 carps of over 12 kg's, biggest 15.something kg's in a net on the back of a guy's boat, and thats just the thing, you need to have a boat to get to those kind of fish, if you have one let me know and i can sort of direct you to where those blokes hokked the fish BTW they caught 16 over the 10kg's that day.
Having said that, my one friend dragged a 11kg+ fish out there and my biggest carp caught was also at Roodeplaat 6,7 or 6,8 kg's, so yes Roodeplaat does have huge carp's, but the vaal is also know for the monsters that swims around there, i've heard.
LGF
lerouxjaco
Senior Member
Hi Justie
You're a little bit far out but if you should ever have the chance I will recommend Buffelspoort dam, and make sure you bring your tigernuts with. That dam has been properly "conditioned" for tigernut and carps taken there is massive.
You're a little bit far out but if you should ever have the chance I will recommend Buffelspoort dam, and make sure you bring your tigernuts with. That dam has been properly "conditioned" for tigernut and carps taken there is massive.
G
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Big carp waters mean big carp tactics and a very different approach than conventional angling.
Big Carp Dams of SA
1) Klaserie
2) Fanie Botha
3) Rietvlei
4) Buffelspoort
5) Doorndraai
Most difficult Big Carp Waters of SA:
1)Rietvlei
2)Klaserie
3)Buffelspoort
4)Fanie Botha
5)Doorndraai
When conventional methods are used I would agree that Roodeplaat is best (at this stage).
I would suggest (seeing you find yourself in KZN) to fish at Albert Falls for Carp. Next to bass carp is the most abundant species of fish to be found at Albert Falls. Specimens of well over 10kg are being caught on a regular basis.
However, specimen fishing has not yet been tried there yet - so the dam will be shy giveing fish applying that facet.
To target big carp - get to know specimen fishing firts, try an easy dam and keep to it till you KNOW how - THEN book long sessions at any of the dams above - PATIENCE will prevail.
PS Get yourself a DVD called "Going For Gold" this will teach you alot about the facet and it is made for South Africans.
Cheers
Big Carp Dams of SA
1) Klaserie
2) Fanie Botha
3) Rietvlei
4) Buffelspoort
5) Doorndraai
Most difficult Big Carp Waters of SA:
1)Rietvlei
2)Klaserie
3)Buffelspoort
4)Fanie Botha
5)Doorndraai
When conventional methods are used I would agree that Roodeplaat is best (at this stage).
I would suggest (seeing you find yourself in KZN) to fish at Albert Falls for Carp. Next to bass carp is the most abundant species of fish to be found at Albert Falls. Specimens of well over 10kg are being caught on a regular basis.
However, specimen fishing has not yet been tried there yet - so the dam will be shy giveing fish applying that facet.
To target big carp - get to know specimen fishing firts, try an easy dam and keep to it till you KNOW how - THEN book long sessions at any of the dams above - PATIENCE will prevail.
PS Get yourself a DVD called "Going For Gold" this will teach you alot about the facet and it is made for South Africans.
Cheers
G
Guest
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Targeting Big Carp:
I'll start with a new thread.
I'll start with a new thread.
you dont need a boat to catch big carp... funny this section of the forum is called "Specimen carp fishing". Just like bass fishing, and trout fishing, specimen carp fishing is a specific style of fishing, with specific tackle, etc. that is used to catch big carp. But if you are not willing to throw away your keepnet, and be willing to release the big carp in the same condition that you caught it, then dont bother learning this game.
From some of the comments above, seems there's still many ppl out there that dont give a damn about carp. Yes it is an alien species, but so is bass. Yet bass get treated with respect...heheehe... ironic.
From some of the comments above, seems there's still many ppl out there that dont give a damn about carp. Yes it is an alien species, but so is bass. Yet bass get treated with respect...heheehe... ironic.
Hi big Carpio.
You make statements that carp donot muddy the waters and that some of the biggest carp come out of clean dams - yes I agree bigger carp do come out of clean dams but 10 to 1 check out the composition of the bottom of those dams - I will put money on it that they have a solid bottom.
90% of the carp angling that I do is to sighted fish and I can promise you they root around in the mud like nothing else -not even catfish come close. One of the easiest ways for us to catch a sighted fish is when they are producing these massive mud feeding areas as it means you can get right up on them without them seeing you first. I am also interested to know whether you are a fish biologist - (Just trying to understand where your information comes from.
Please can you back up your statements with proven facts.
As for your statement about bass - it is very hard for you to generalise about the statement you made there - I for one have the same feeling about carp as I do for bass...............
You make statements that carp donot muddy the waters and that some of the biggest carp come out of clean dams - yes I agree bigger carp do come out of clean dams but 10 to 1 check out the composition of the bottom of those dams - I will put money on it that they have a solid bottom.
90% of the carp angling that I do is to sighted fish and I can promise you they root around in the mud like nothing else -not even catfish come close. One of the easiest ways for us to catch a sighted fish is when they are producing these massive mud feeding areas as it means you can get right up on them without them seeing you first. I am also interested to know whether you are a fish biologist - (Just trying to understand where your information comes from.
Please can you back up your statements with proven facts.
As for your statement about bass - it is very hard for you to generalise about the statement you made there - I for one have the same feeling about carp as I do for bass...............
Hi Ryan, i'm am not a fish biologist, or any scientist. But I have done some reading up on carp, its history, etc...but at the end I comment from an angler's point of view. The point of view that scientists and biologists never seem to take into consideration as an important factor.
Now firstly, some of the dams that I was referring to, do not have a hard bottom. In fact, on the weekend I fished a big dam that has a combination of sand and silt, yet it contains a large population of carp, as well as 8 other species of fish, and the water is very clean.
About the bass thing, how many photos of dead trophy-sized bass have you seen either in the local mags, on local bass websites? or how often do you see ppl taking big bass home to eat or sell? That is why I am generalizing above.
yes, carp are not completely innocent, and alot of dams are overpopulated by them. But they are also not always to blame. Take for example Harties. Carp have been blamed for the condition of the dam as well as the water quality. Yet, we have seen the newspaper reports of raw sewage being "spilled" into the dam via the municipal works near the dam... on a regular basis. And lets not forget the stuff from settlements along the rivers, getting washed down the rivers into the dam. Now harties is being actively netted..... anyway, nothing we as anglers can do about it...
Now firstly, some of the dams that I was referring to, do not have a hard bottom. In fact, on the weekend I fished a big dam that has a combination of sand and silt, yet it contains a large population of carp, as well as 8 other species of fish, and the water is very clean.
About the bass thing, how many photos of dead trophy-sized bass have you seen either in the local mags, on local bass websites? or how often do you see ppl taking big bass home to eat or sell? That is why I am generalizing above.
yes, carp are not completely innocent, and alot of dams are overpopulated by them. But they are also not always to blame. Take for example Harties. Carp have been blamed for the condition of the dam as well as the water quality. Yet, we have seen the newspaper reports of raw sewage being "spilled" into the dam via the municipal works near the dam... on a regular basis. And lets not forget the stuff from settlements along the rivers, getting washed down the rivers into the dam. Now harties is being actively netted..... anyway, nothing we as anglers can do about it...
On the contrary - guys who write the laws are anglers and they do take the angling frat in to consideration. Problem is if a species is detrimental to an ecosystem where ultimately it might result in the system being irreverisibly damaged well then should they take anglers into consideration - My answer would be no as the long term sustainability of a ecosystem is in jeopardy.
The situation in Harties well I aagree that it is not a fish caused problem but the fish are responsible for making it expontially worse. What they are trying to achieve in Harties is food web - Manipulation - whether it will work or not is anybodies guess but as they say nothing ventured nothing gaine --------Wow just realised I sound liuke a scientist..........LOL
With reference to your clean dams - I am assuming there are big carp there and few small ones - I would like to safely assume that carp populations are not at a level where it is detrimental to the dam to make it muddy yet and maybe there is another limiting factor such as lack of right breeding grounds that is keepining the small carp under control.
In summer I would like to take you out on one of our local dams and show you how we (Artlure) catch carp and physically show you the feeding clouds they produce. Carp are suckers and blowers - afterall that is why the hair - rig is so effective.
I don't think cleaning a system of all carp is a viable option however it is to try and curb the spread of any Alein Species to new bodies of water which is the challenge.
With reference to you Bass comment - how many speciemen carp do you see in Specimen mags or websites? - There are just as many pics in non bass specific related mags - this holds no water to me. Maybe carp are just more prolific and easier than carp to catch too (I think this is more the reason bass one has to work for where as in the case with most carp slap some pap and a few mielies on the hook sit and dop your lungs out and the fish practically hook themselves)
Anyways Glad you are prepared to debate this - I like arguing the pro's and cons
The situation in Harties well I aagree that it is not a fish caused problem but the fish are responsible for making it expontially worse. What they are trying to achieve in Harties is food web - Manipulation - whether it will work or not is anybodies guess but as they say nothing ventured nothing gaine --------Wow just realised I sound liuke a scientist..........LOL
With reference to your clean dams - I am assuming there are big carp there and few small ones - I would like to safely assume that carp populations are not at a level where it is detrimental to the dam to make it muddy yet and maybe there is another limiting factor such as lack of right breeding grounds that is keepining the small carp under control.
In summer I would like to take you out on one of our local dams and show you how we (Artlure) catch carp and physically show you the feeding clouds they produce. Carp are suckers and blowers - afterall that is why the hair - rig is so effective.
I don't think cleaning a system of all carp is a viable option however it is to try and curb the spread of any Alein Species to new bodies of water which is the challenge.
With reference to you Bass comment - how many speciemen carp do you see in Specimen mags or websites? - There are just as many pics in non bass specific related mags - this holds no water to me. Maybe carp are just more prolific and easier than carp to catch too (I think this is more the reason bass one has to work for where as in the case with most carp slap some pap and a few mielies on the hook sit and dop your lungs out and the fish practically hook themselves)
Anyways Glad you are prepared to debate this - I like arguing the pro's and cons
On the contrary - guys who write the laws are anglers and they do take the angling frat in to consideration. Problem is if a species is detrimental to an ecosystem where ultimately it might result in the system being irreverisibly damaged well then should they take anglers into consideration - My answer would be no as the long term sustainability of a ecosystem is in jeopardy.
The situation in Harties well I aagree that it is not a fish caused problem but the fish are responsible for making it expontially worse. What they are trying to achieve in Harties is food web - Manipulation - whether it will work or not is anybodies guess but as they say nothing ventured nothing gaine --------Wow just realised I sound liuke a scientist..........LOL
With reference to your clean dams - I am assuming there are big carp there and few small ones - I would like to safely assume that carp populations are not at a level where it is detrimental to the dam to make it muddy yet and maybe there is another limiting factor such as lack of right breeding grounds that is keepining the small carp under control.
In summer I would like to take you out on one of our local dams and show you how we (Artlure) catch carp and physically show you the feeding clouds they produce. Carp are suckers and blowers - afterall that is why the hair - rig is so effective.
I don't think cleaning a system of all carp is a viable option however it is to try and curb the spread of any Alein Species to new bodies of water which is the challenge.
With reference to you Bass comment - how many speciemen carp do you see in Specimen mags or websites? - There are just as many pics in non bass specific related mags - this holds no water to me. Maybe carp are just more prolific and easier than carp to catch too (I think this is more the reason bass one has to work for where as in the case with most carp slap some pap and a few mielies on the hook sit and dop your lungs out and the fish practically hook themselves)
Anyways Glad you are prepared to debate this - I like arguing the pro's and cons
The situation in Harties well I aagree that it is not a fish caused problem but the fish are responsible for making it expontially worse. What they are trying to achieve in Harties is food web - Manipulation - whether it will work or not is anybodies guess but as they say nothing ventured nothing gaine --------Wow just realised I sound liuke a scientist..........LOL
With reference to your clean dams - I am assuming there are big carp there and few small ones - I would like to safely assume that carp populations are not at a level where it is detrimental to the dam to make it muddy yet and maybe there is another limiting factor such as lack of right breeding grounds that is keepining the small carp under control.
In summer I would like to take you out on one of our local dams and show you how we (Artlure) catch carp and physically show you the feeding clouds they produce. Carp are suckers and blowers - afterall that is why the hair - rig is so effective.
I don't think cleaning a system of all carp is a viable option however it is to try and curb the spread of any Alein Species to new bodies of water which is the challenge.
With reference to you Bass comment - how many speciemen carp do you see in Specimen mags or websites? - There are just as many pics in non bass specific related mags - this holds no water to me. Maybe carp are just more prolific and easier than carp to catch too (I think this is more the reason bass one has to work for where as in the case with most carp slap some pap and a few mielies on the hook sit and dop your lungs out and the fish practically hook themselves)
Anyways Glad you are prepared to debate this - I like arguing the pro's and cons
Andre Laas
Sealiner
Also keep in mind that the food-web manipulation in Harties will actually have more pro's for specimen anglers in the long run than con's. Harties is over-populated by carp and barbel (that is a fact). By removing a lot of the fish, you are immediately reducing the competition for food, and more importantly, for space, which allow more carp to grow larger, and the large carp to grow even larger.
The techniques used for feed-web manipulation is nothing new, and have long been used in overseas waters that are managed for specimen carp fishing. The same principles are now being used to at least try and do some good to a totally messed up ecosystem. Trust me, at Harties, any intervention is good intervention. Like I said before, chances are good that corruption may seep in with these projects, but it will not be on the science side of things as scientists are being paid pretty poorly in SA (hence the brain-drain??????).
But to get back to the topic at hand.....I now have the adventure of searching for the big carp in KZN, and any pointers will be appreciated!
The techniques used for feed-web manipulation is nothing new, and have long been used in overseas waters that are managed for specimen carp fishing. The same principles are now being used to at least try and do some good to a totally messed up ecosystem. Trust me, at Harties, any intervention is good intervention. Like I said before, chances are good that corruption may seep in with these projects, but it will not be on the science side of things as scientists are being paid pretty poorly in SA (hence the brain-drain??????).
But to get back to the topic at hand.....I now have the adventure of searching for the big carp in KZN, and any pointers will be appreciated!
G
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Whahaha - you had to sneak that in Critter ! very sneaky indeed