I went fishing yesterday and on my second cast bro

[burney]

I went fishing yesterday and on my second cast broke my flip up eye and bent another. So I contacted Sean Ferreira and went to him to talk about the conversion and left my rod with him. I'm getting bigger titanium eyes new reel seat a bionic finger and the eyes are getting moved I can't wait to get the rod back and test it to the fullest with my new fin-nor offshore9500 and 50pound suffix braid and the first fish I'm targeting is a black stingray. Will post pics when the rod is done. Thanx Enigma for convincing me to rather convert my rod than buying another

 

[Pylstert]

I hope you read all the posts on getting the correct eyes and having them spaced properly, put me off grinders and braid even more

 

[Tackle-holic]

Its not that hard once you understand the mechanics, but I suppose that's the trick..
If you feel overwhelmed and would like to try, just ask.

 

[subaruseun]

grinder setup is the way to go, u wont regret it.

 

[burney]

Ja I can't wait for it to be done should get the rod friday. Everything is getting done the right way so shouldn't have any problems the eyes are getting replaced and moved so that I can use it to the fullest

 

[Pylstert]

subaruseun wrote:

grinder setup is the way to go, u wont regret it.

it depends how deep your pockets are and what type of fishing you like I suppose?

 

[subaruseun]

Pylstert wrote:

subaruseun wrote:

grinder setup is the way to go, u wont regret it.

it depends how deep your pockets are and what type of fishing you like I suppose?

agreed!

top end setups work well and continue to do so, the market is saturating and bottom end reels and rods are now biting into sales... a good few brands are pulling through with average and above quality in the entry level segment.

at competitive level a /3 purglass competes well enough against a evo or bm ss range, so it depends on whether you want to spend some $$ i have use entry to mid level rods as grinder rods before making the investment.


braid is however getting more expensive!!!

 

[burney]

What knot would you guys suggest I use for my leader on my braid I am using a 1.0mm suffix leader line?

 

[Expat]

Solank jy die “Low Rider Casting Concept” van Enigma gebruik kan jy nie verkeerd gaan nie. Baie belangrik is die spasiëring van die guides, wat voorkom dat die braid teen die blank slaan. Enigma is verseker die beste persoon om mee te praat as dit by grinder stokke kom in SA. Ek het al met baie van die “latest en greatest” grinder stokke gegooi wat baie goed bemark word en nie een kom naby my Technium medium met die heavy tip nie. Vra vir Sean om vir Craig te bel.

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=86339&forum_id=1

 

[Expat]

burney wrote:

What knot would you guys suggest I use for my leader on my braid I am using a 1.0mm suffix leader line?

fg knot

 

[Enigma]

Pylstert wrote:

subaruseun wrote:

grinder setup is the way to go, u wont regret it.

it depends how deep your pockets are and what type of fishing you like I suppose?

Not really.... What does a Trini 30A with Pentagon Heavy and the braid etc, etc cost a league Angler?

14'SeaGrand 3piece Grinder 6-8oz on Blue Marlin setup (Blank designed and assembled for us) with Bionic Finger R3300-4000 vs T53 Heavy at R5000

Daiwa Saltist 6500H with Carbontex upgrade R2900 vs Trinidad 30A (R4700)

 

[burney]

Die stok die upgrades die katrol en braid is net oor die R6000 so volgens my is dit die moeite werd en ek gaan dit baie geniet

 

[Pylstert]

Enigma wrote:

Pylstert wrote:

subaruseun wrote:

grinder setup is the way to go, u wont regret it.

it depends how deep your pockets are and what type of fishing you like I suppose?

Not really.... What does a Trini 30A with Pentagon Heavy and the braid etc, etc cost a league Angler?

14'SeaGrand 3piece Grinder 6-8oz on Blue Marlin setup (Blank designed and assembled for us) with Bionic Finger R3300-4000 vs T53 Heavy at R5000

Daiwa Saltist 6500H with Carbontex upgrade R2900 vs Trinidad 30A (R4700)

Why compare it to a Trini A and league anglers? 99% of anglers are not league anglers nor use a Trini A. I said it depends what type of fishing you like and my concern is the ongoing cost of braid. I tried it for a while on a lighter rig with a multiplier and it was very nice, but after 4 outings, 300m of braid was moer toe, possibly because of rod eyes and rocks and kelp off course. I simply can't afford it nor think fishing with braid and a grinder will make a significant difference to the fishing I do. I am keen to try fireline though. A grinder and braid is certainly not a must have to catch fish, perhaps for a league angler (to be competitive, although I want to see the statistical evidence that league anglers are lately catching more fish than in the past and that it is thanks to grinders and braid), but they are in the vast minority.

 

[Enigma]

That was a single example and an extreme example

Lets use this one then 12' 2-4oz Loomis Spin with Shimano Aerlex Grinder, 30lbs braid over 40lbs mono backing total cost, under R2k

This would be compared to 12' 2-4oz casting with SL30 or TLD 15/30 with 0.45mm Mono.

Now apples with Apples. 0.47mm mono equates to 30lbs braid. The braid however can cast much further especially in the hands of a recreational fisherman.

The advantages of sensitivity of the extreme, low diameter for protection against side wash ability to cast lighter terminal tackle etc makes for great fishing fun.

Now to use my own scratchin setup as an example. I use my 1-4oz Carp Rod (Oval DC)with my Shimano 10'000 Baitrunner for which I have 4 spools that I pack in.

1. 20lbs HMP x 600m on one rod. Been on for 4 years now and I fish it for Catfish, Kob, Garrick, Shad Bluefish etc, etc. Still as good as new after 4 years.

1 x 40lbs Fireline 300yds been on the reel for 9 years now.

1 x 0.30mm Mono for general rock fishing

1 x 0.45mm Mono for Kelp beds etc etc.

I carry 1 rod with 1 reel but 4 spools so I can Spin, beach fish at long range, drift bait with light baits, float fish, Reef fish either Baitfishing or Lurefishing all with 1 setup with anything from 3/4oz-4oz plus small bait. The same rod and rele is used for freshwater Carp and Catfish fishing

In my books an extremely versatile and affordable option and only a 1 x investment in Braid and Fireline average 5 years and still going strong.

Braid for Multiplier fishing should not be under 0.40mm so essentially, 65-80lbs and not for long range fishing.

Braid must always be wet before long casting as it's flash point is way LOWER than Mono...... Power casts with to thin and to dry braid leads to fiber damage and melting significantly reducing it's lifespan and to have the same versatility that I have with my 1 x setup you need to carry 1 rod with 4 reels.

 

[Enigma]

Over the last 5 years such massive advances in rod materials and technology took place that reels had to be advanced to meet the casting and pulling power of the rod

So followed the change in reel spools so as to facilitate the 300km/h line release generated in a potential 180m cast

This led to the development of Rod guide capable of handling the huge velocities of power casting. So for ruds sub 12' the K series saw the light and for 12' and longer the Low Rider system and the Fuji NGC layouts were researched and refined to bring all into balance.

Using this as perspective the recreational angler fishing his grinder with mono or braid and looking to fish 10-100m just about any rod is fine.

Looking to achieve 140m+ then High Velocity systems will be preferrable

Looking at 140m+ with braided line systems then a full optimisation of Layout and guides will give full benefit of the equipment in use.

 

[Enigma]

My slide rod layout for International shark fishermen in EC (those wanting to do all their own casting and sliding)

Rugged 3, 7-9oz built with high reel seat like a Carp Rod, Drop 1 x #16 and move the back 3 guides forward. (R1500 total cost)

Reel Aerlex 8000 300m 50lbs HMP Backing and 200m 0.50mm Big Game. (Total cost R1200)

Casting with full length 1mm windons

Biggest Catch 214kg Raggie, Best Catch 108kg Bronzie

 

[Enigma]

Here is the Rugged 4-6oz with a catch on a smaller Grinder, with 0.50mm mono over braid. Target species was Kob and the rod and reel handles this fish, landing it in 17 minutes

 

[Pylstert]

Thanks, I don't doubt the ability of the tackle at all

 

[setobla]

some very good info to make one think

so Craig in your opinion.... grinder setup or magged multiplier?

 

[tadeo]

Enigma wrote:

Braid must always be wet before long casting as it's flash point is way LOWER than Mono...... Power casts with to thin and to dry braid leads to fiber damage and melting significantly reducing it's lifespan.

Good to know. Thank you