I shot this fish on the wekend not to sure wat it
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JJ Pienaar
Sealiner
stevenofferman wrote:
Stevenofferman if you knw size limits so well you should know that Kingys dont have a size limit only a bag limit of 5 p/p p/d, i just think Mantis was trying to educate some of the beginner spearfishermen to not shoot any NOT JUST KINGY"S any fish if they dont know what species it is or the size limit or bag limmit ....
JJ Pienaar
Sealiner
Richard Ohagan wrote:
got it over the Net... cant remember what site i got it at... Sorry Ricard
stevenofferman
New member
jj i didnt say im the size limit expert! my post wasnt even targeted at mantis eiher, but if you want i will, in the last three weeks i have spoken to two people about sealine and both answered that they dont want to join because of completely off the topic posts like that one. jami wants to know what type of fish he shot not why u guys dont spearfish ect. and you know te very sad thing is that one of those people refuse to join this site studied mussel cracker in he eastern cape for years and how often has that topic been brought up! imagine all that knowlege to turn onto. and mantis im not saying that you the reason why people dont want to join, im not disrespecting you or anyone else in anyway im just saying cant we stop this off the topic stuff. rather motivate people and not discourage UNLESS you know forsure that its fowl play
sorry if i upset anyone
sorry if i upset anyone
bru i know where you are coming from with people being discouraged by certain posts on any forum but there is a tacit difference here. nobody is slating this guy for shooting a couple of fish for the pan, hell, if i lived near him i'd be trying bag myself an invite for the fry up! it's good advice to not keep any fish you cannot identify whether it be shot or caught on conventional tackle - and that was purely the caution i advised. can you imagine a novice angler in any format landing himself, say for example a 40cm garrick, and feeling stoked about landing a pan sized fish, only to get himself nabbed in the parking lot by the parks board - that would put a serious damper on anyone's motivation.
i agree certain situations could be handled more gently but on the flip side i have seen many anglers adopt a new approach once they've been given information they were perhaps not partial to. let's say a guy chooses to keep a 20 kilo kob for example. the correct thing to do is to let him know that a fish that size is breeding stock and it's better to release it. if he gets given that advice and still chooses to keep the next one that's his perogative and nobody should be drilling the guy for it BUT at least give the guy a chance to make an informed decision. education doesn't happen in a world of silence, but i completely agree that it needs to be well seasoned with tact and diplomacy. i understand how guys can get offended on this site, or any other one for that matter, but that wasn't the case in this instance because there was no opportunity to feel offended by what i said, so we've got to be careful that in our attempts to balance education with sensitivity we don't throw out the dishes with the water.
i hope that helps you understand where my motivation for that post came from...
i agree certain situations could be handled more gently but on the flip side i have seen many anglers adopt a new approach once they've been given information they were perhaps not partial to. let's say a guy chooses to keep a 20 kilo kob for example. the correct thing to do is to let him know that a fish that size is breeding stock and it's better to release it. if he gets given that advice and still chooses to keep the next one that's his perogative and nobody should be drilling the guy for it BUT at least give the guy a chance to make an informed decision. education doesn't happen in a world of silence, but i completely agree that it needs to be well seasoned with tact and diplomacy. i understand how guys can get offended on this site, or any other one for that matter, but that wasn't the case in this instance because there was no opportunity to feel offended by what i said, so we've got to be careful that in our attempts to balance education with sensitivity we don't throw out the dishes with the water.
i hope that helps you understand where my motivation for that post came from...
Capespearo
Senior Member
Shot one at Infanta some time back of around 1.5kg. Good eating.
Whaler,
Thats a sizer !
Whaler,
Thats a sizer !
Hi Jami
It is a bludger - water was cool on Saturday on wildside. Did you get it bay side or westside? I saw Johnny (red corolla) take a large specimen about a year ago at Pollock Rock in the shallows - 6 foot deep water, near Bird Rock.
Bludger make excellent eating - just don't overdo.
Zane
It is a bludger - water was cool on Saturday on wildside. Did you get it bay side or westside? I saw Johnny (red corolla) take a large specimen about a year ago at Pollock Rock in the shallows - 6 foot deep water, near Bird Rock.
Bludger make excellent eating - just don't overdo.
Zane
stevenofferman
New member
ok mantis i fully understand, i accept that i over reacted with your post and i apologise, i am glad u understand where i am coming from too, apologies
JJ Pienaar
Sealiner
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[align=left]Here is a bit more info on it....[/align]
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[align=left] SILVER trevally are known affectionately in Western Australia as skippy and are respected as strong fighters, as indeed are all the trevally family. Skippy are relatively small compared with some members of the clan - for example, the giant trevally grows to a whopping 55 kilos.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Identification[/align]
[align=left]Various trevally are not always easy to identify positively, but skippy don't have to compete with many of their cousins in temperate southern waters. Colouration tends to vary with habitat and ranges from bright silver through to bronze in some estuaries. The back may be pale brown or even bluish green, and smaller skippy may also have cross bands in these colours.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]The main potential for confusion is with a smaller relative, the sand trevally. The two main differences are subtle - the skippy has a slightly larger black spot on the gill cover and slightly smaller scales on the lateral line. If you have the interest and patience to count the scales along the lateral line of each, you will find that skippy have 96-115 compared with only 67-79 for sand trevally.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Size[/align]
[align=left]The Australian record is 10 kilos but 8kg is huge in WA waters. Although the vast majority of anglers around the state have probably caught skippy up to a kilo, it is possible to find much bigger fish in some locations. The Esperance area produces skippy up to 6kg and some whoppers come from structure in deep water out from Rottnest.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Distribution[/align]
[align=left]The South and South-West coasts are the true home of skippy but they range up as far as North-West Cape. However they are an unusual catch anywhere above Shark Bay.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Breeding and migration[/align]
[align=left]Skippy spawn in summer in estuaries and out in deeper water. They are thought to be serial spawners which means they keep releasing batches of eggs over several weeks. Though there is no evidence of seasonal migration, studies in New Zealand indicate that adult fish may move seasonally between demersal and pelagic habitats (that is, ranging from down near the bottom up to the middle and the top).[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Threats[/align]
[align=left]As with most species which are mainly demersal, loss of habitat can be a more serious threat than overfishing. In waters near some high population areas there is no doubt that skippy are not as prolific as they once were. So it is important to ensure that bag and size limits are properly applied to manage the total catch of this great little recreational species. With that in mind it's worth contemplating that the current minimum size limit of 20cm is ridiculously small. [/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Because recreational anglers catch skippy mostly in shallowish inshore waters, any reduction in the quality of these waters may well reduce their availability.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Habitat[/align]
[align=left]Generally skippy are found around some sort of structure - reefs, jetties, groynes, harbours, channel markers or wrecks. The larger fish along the South-West coast tend to be offshore around wrecks where they may school up in reasonable numbers. Along the South Coast, bigger specimens favour rocky headlands, especially around Esperance.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Tackle and bait[/align]
[align=left]For smaller fish inshore, 3-6kg line is ideal but you will need to step up to at least 10kg b/s when chasing the bruisers which live around deepwater reefs and wrecks. I like to fish with a gang of three No. 2 Tarpons tied to 50cm of 8kg mono trace and connected to my main line with a small swivel. When conditions dictate I will add a small sinker but I prefer to fish with a minimum of lead. [/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Shore anglers usually opt for ball sinker or spoon sinker rigs. Whitebait and blue sardines are favourite skippy baits, as are prawns and squid. Skippy respond well to berley - preferably fish pieces rather than pollard and the like if you're boat fishing. Try cutting up small pieces of your bait and tossing them in regularly, or use a berley bucket. A mix of pollard and fish oil is excellent from the shore, especially in reef holes.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Fishing methods[/align]
[align=left]If you're fishing near a structure, cast or drift your bait as close to it as possible. It may be dicey on gear but it's rewarding and plenty of fun.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]You're rarely in doubt about a bite, or perhaps I should say a "take" because skippy inhale the bait rather than bite at it. A solid thump will tell you that the game is on, and you don't need to respond with a big strike - just lift the rod tip and you're in business. [/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Skippy often respond positively to a bright flashy metal lure, such as a Halco Twisty, jigged up and down against a structure.
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[align=left][/align]
[align=left]References: Kailola, Williams, Stewart, Reichelt, McNee and Grieve Australian Fisheries Resources 1993. Hutchins and Swainston Sea Fishes of Southern Australia 1986.[/align]
[align=left]Here is a bit more info on it....[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left] SILVER trevally are known affectionately in Western Australia as skippy and are respected as strong fighters, as indeed are all the trevally family. Skippy are relatively small compared with some members of the clan - for example, the giant trevally grows to a whopping 55 kilos.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Identification[/align]
[align=left]Various trevally are not always easy to identify positively, but skippy don't have to compete with many of their cousins in temperate southern waters. Colouration tends to vary with habitat and ranges from bright silver through to bronze in some estuaries. The back may be pale brown or even bluish green, and smaller skippy may also have cross bands in these colours.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]The main potential for confusion is with a smaller relative, the sand trevally. The two main differences are subtle - the skippy has a slightly larger black spot on the gill cover and slightly smaller scales on the lateral line. If you have the interest and patience to count the scales along the lateral line of each, you will find that skippy have 96-115 compared with only 67-79 for sand trevally.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Size[/align]
[align=left]The Australian record is 10 kilos but 8kg is huge in WA waters. Although the vast majority of anglers around the state have probably caught skippy up to a kilo, it is possible to find much bigger fish in some locations. The Esperance area produces skippy up to 6kg and some whoppers come from structure in deep water out from Rottnest.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Distribution[/align]
[align=left]The South and South-West coasts are the true home of skippy but they range up as far as North-West Cape. However they are an unusual catch anywhere above Shark Bay.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Breeding and migration[/align]
[align=left]Skippy spawn in summer in estuaries and out in deeper water. They are thought to be serial spawners which means they keep releasing batches of eggs over several weeks. Though there is no evidence of seasonal migration, studies in New Zealand indicate that adult fish may move seasonally between demersal and pelagic habitats (that is, ranging from down near the bottom up to the middle and the top).[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Threats[/align]
[align=left]As with most species which are mainly demersal, loss of habitat can be a more serious threat than overfishing. In waters near some high population areas there is no doubt that skippy are not as prolific as they once were. So it is important to ensure that bag and size limits are properly applied to manage the total catch of this great little recreational species. With that in mind it's worth contemplating that the current minimum size limit of 20cm is ridiculously small. [/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Because recreational anglers catch skippy mostly in shallowish inshore waters, any reduction in the quality of these waters may well reduce their availability.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Habitat[/align]
[align=left]Generally skippy are found around some sort of structure - reefs, jetties, groynes, harbours, channel markers or wrecks. The larger fish along the South-West coast tend to be offshore around wrecks where they may school up in reasonable numbers. Along the South Coast, bigger specimens favour rocky headlands, especially around Esperance.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Tackle and bait[/align]
[align=left]For smaller fish inshore, 3-6kg line is ideal but you will need to step up to at least 10kg b/s when chasing the bruisers which live around deepwater reefs and wrecks. I like to fish with a gang of three No. 2 Tarpons tied to 50cm of 8kg mono trace and connected to my main line with a small swivel. When conditions dictate I will add a small sinker but I prefer to fish with a minimum of lead. [/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Shore anglers usually opt for ball sinker or spoon sinker rigs. Whitebait and blue sardines are favourite skippy baits, as are prawns and squid. Skippy respond well to berley - preferably fish pieces rather than pollard and the like if you're boat fishing. Try cutting up small pieces of your bait and tossing them in regularly, or use a berley bucket. A mix of pollard and fish oil is excellent from the shore, especially in reef holes.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Fishing methods[/align]
[align=left]If you're fishing near a structure, cast or drift your bait as close to it as possible. It may be dicey on gear but it's rewarding and plenty of fun.[/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]You're rarely in doubt about a bite, or perhaps I should say a "take" because skippy inhale the bait rather than bite at it. A solid thump will tell you that the game is on, and you don't need to respond with a big strike - just lift the rod tip and you're in business. [/align]
[align=left] [/align]
[align=left]Skippy often respond positively to a bright flashy metal lure, such as a Halco Twisty, jigged up and down against a structure.
[/align]
[align=left]
[/align]
[align=left]
[line]
[/align]
[align=left][/align]
[align=left]References: Kailola, Williams, Stewart, Reichelt, McNee and Grieve Australian Fisheries Resources 1993. Hutchins and Swainston Sea Fishes of Southern Australia 1986.[/align]
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aquadementia
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Nice info JJ. Il post a pic of the one my dad caught soon
JJ Pienaar
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Chris
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Well done my friend, hope you have many more posts... CHEER"Z JJ
[align=right]Location:
Jeffreys Bay, South Africa
Posts:
1001
Equipment:
Torium30, Exage1468, Sustain5000, Spheros6000, Beastmaster mh
Best Catch:
160kg Bag, 89kg Black Ray, 12.6kg Garrick ...
Favorite Fishing Spot:
wherever i caught my last finned friend
Boat:
life vest + fins!
Club:
noooo........
Status:
Online
Mana:
[/align]Well done my friend, hope you have many more posts... CHEER"Z JJ