I just wantb to let all sealine members know that

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[color=#006600]strandwolf[/color] wrote:

[color=#006600]jb2[/color] wrote:

[color=#006600]Marthin[/color] wrote:

To be honest i wasnt even aware that we could give inputs. Another big up to Sealine, as here is a forum where people can be informed of when and where these kinds of discussions take place.

Marthin

The recreational sector is quite well represented at SAMLMA (The South African Marine Linefish Management Association). i disagree as SAMLMA is a self interest group. The associations worry about themselves, even one man associations, no mandates by others, even no memberships in associations. fishing clubs also protect their own interests. SAMLMA AND SADSAA is run from top to bottom and do not regard recreational inputs as the first anyone hear or see is a new regulation. I know there is a couple of dedicated organizations but this is not the forum todiscuss the bad ones. SAMLMA should review itself. Heavy criticism of other associations again. I have never been to a SAMLMA meeting but I can't believe that it is all just self interest.

Miskien maak jy die pap te dik? It's ok too be critical but surely not everyone is out to get the small scale fisher? If the other associations have no legitimacy, why are they so well supported?

Its ok if COSATU is not the only voice. There surely is no need to silence dissent. Not everyone has to go to the GULAG for "political re education".

The South African Deep Sea Angling Association and several others raise their concerns in this forum. Again self interest prevail, why give 10 yellowfin per angler and only 2 galjoen to another. Who eat those fish? SADSAA want lot of tuna and swordfish why? duh to pay their expensis, did SADSAA forget that the sport is recreational and if you moan about the cost of vessel, bait ,tackle etc get another sport or hobby.
It can't always be that simple. I have difficulty with the 10 yellowfin a man bag limit. That is just a huge amount of fish. it could work out to about half a ton a man. As you say the temptation to sell that fish is huge.
Changes in linefish catches and bag restrictions are usually discussed here. YEP without consulting the real affected party namely the bloke with his rod in hand on the beach.

But here you will run into opposition from recreationals. For example I think the commercials want to see dassie  / kolstert made a permitted  commercial species again. Iwould guess that the recreationals would not be too keen on that.

The issue of one big kob North of East London is designed to protect breeding aggregations that form up there. Bull, cob breed in estauries rivers etc, why keep a big cob on the west coast full of roe,  and may not at stilbay. the point was why the beach angler may catch 1 cob and if the same angler on a boat may catch 5. again a SAMLMA SCIENTIFIC BLOOPER.

It seems that we don't know enough about kob breeding. Why not have precautionary measures in place. Once you've caught 20kg of kob, just go home and have a braai. Beware of contradicting your suggestions re yellowfin!

The same goes for the elf. The basis for the measures  is ecological Do not make statements that cannot be proven, shad do not only breed in Natal not political. As i said i am open to discuss anything in the industry, but words must be factual. 

I think the restrictions on elf come from measures in the eighties and nineties. The elf have bounced back. I am sure I have seen elf with full kuite in the Cape but it does not make all science into rubbish.

 

One thing that we have in common is that we both have huge difficulties with the linefish catch in the hake  trawl sector. It is frightening to see how much kob, panga, snoek etc they catch.

You see I am not such a counter revolutionary after all. My stay in the GULAG has just been shortened!


I think a trend that we will see in the fishing industry is a move toward using less labour. As costs escalate, one of the first places to cut back must be the labour cost.

One of the greatest difficulties that I have noticed about organised labour is the suggestion that the boss is always out to do them in. Often that might be the case but I have heard few suggestions about how labour would like to become more productive.

Our boats are crowded compared to overseas. Have you noticed how the tuna pole sector is using fewer crew already?

The one thing that we will agree on is that a skilled linefisher can not be replaced

 

[Fanie]

It is a pity that all this is money driven. Those with financial interest is going to put themselves out to find ways to exploit even already depleted resources even more. Aparently no laws are enforced when it doesn't suit your pocket.

I too am sick of hearing that the recreational angler is resposible for fishing out the resources while trawlers net schools of fish out by the thousands of tons.

Good idea to get some scientific backing in this, unless of course scientists also have a financial finger in the pie, like the professor moron currently harvesting the fish from Hartebeespoort dam after convincing the council it is the fish that is responsible for the polution in the water, not the sewage and not the chemicals dumped.

The only way this is going to be fairly evaluated is when someone with no financial interest lay down the lines.

 

[strandwolf]

jb/jb2 or whoever u are

first if you throw politics in the fishing u get a f...up.
Cosatu is backing the cosatu fishing desk as the desk represent the whole industry. The buck does not stop by the fish that was caught but go back to the employment of the fish filleter and tackle shop assistant. All the years big bussinesses the likes of Lusitania Oceana IJ have pressured the government to get what they want threathning from no fish, retrenchments, bad weather, too much fish and a lot of other sh..t as long as it suits them. They run to court every year if talks fail and they dont get what they want. everyone thinks to bow before the high and mighty big bussiness, but do the maths and this we did. the contribution to SA from this big bussiness is f all compared to the other sectors in the industry even the recreational sector alone contribute more than them. This is one ofthe reasons Cosatu is backing the desk.

 

[jb]

[color=#006600]strandwolf[/color] wrote:

jb/jb2 or whoever u are

first if you throw politics in the fishing u get a f...up.
Cosatu is backing the cosatu fishing desk as the desk represent the whole industry. The buck does not stop by the fish that was caught but go back to the employment of the fish filleter and tackle shop assistant. All the years big bussinesses the likes of Lusitania Oceana IJ have pressured the government to get what they want threathning from no fish, retrenchments, bad weather, too much fish and a lot of other sh..t as long as it suits them. They run to court every year if talks fail and they dont get what they want. everyone thinks to bow before the high and mighty big bussiness, but do the maths and this we did. the contribution to SA from this big bussiness is f all compared to the other sectors in the industry even the recreational sector alone contribute more than them. This is one ofthe reasons Cosatu is backing the desk.

Hi Strandwolf. You can't honestly expect people to believe that COSATU has no political agenda.

There is a huge amount of research to confirm that the less mechanised the fishery, the more people it employs. That is one of the reasons that we should support unmechanised fishing methods.

Court action is only one of the ways of settling a grievance. It is a bit like COSATU's strike action.  You will probably find that COSATU has caused more harm to the economy through strikes than the value of the entire fishing industry.

 

[Dingleberry]

Strandwolf, I agree with some of yer stuff and disagree with some. I can certainly understand the frustration with big business. However, one view of yours that is most certainly wrong is that the buck stops does not stop at the fish. Unfortunately the politicians like to punt "sustainable" development. This is an oxymoron. There are limited resources on this planet and even if they're managed correctly, overpopulation will result in a depletion - possibly irrecoverable - of our fishstocks. The politicians should be aware of this and it should be of priority when decisions are made.