I have i few questions on mail line and shock lead

pappi choulo

Senior Member
it's a baby carp! lol! only joking!

it's a mahseer. they're found mainly in india, although they also occur in parts of thailand & cambodia. they are actually in the same family as the english barbel (like the one in that picture in the thread on fishing rivers). mahseer are thought to be the hardest fighting game fish in the world by some very experienced anglers and they grow to over 100 pounds. all i can say is that they can really hurt you! you don't come away from an encounter with one the size of that one in my avatar without a fair amount of bruises!

 for the record,  that's not me in my avatar pic, it's the wife of a very dear friend of mine.
 

Spod

Senior Member
Nice Klippies.. just please dont put any lines in there... I love my koi too, just fed them, cheeky buggars, the practically jump into my hand lol!
 

Klipperus

New member
Ya i know, I had some probs with mine in the spawning season coz ive had them for three years now (the big ones) and they jump out the bluddy pond. I bloody had sleepless nights.
 

Spod

Senior Member
hehehe! thats the females that jump out during spawning season, Ive had my fair share of jumpers too, found they usually jump early hours of the morning, some mornings, I would find them on the ground, put them back, sometimes they revive and live.

Usually the males are so aggresive, they push the females into a corner and then because she feels threatened and boxed in, she jumps to get out of the situation.


If you look at my carryall pics again, you will see my small 3000lt pond, I put railing around to help, flip they still jump clear of it, that rail is 500mm high.
Funny creatures!

Sorry man my spelling looked bad, so I edited this post

Also Ive added....

This was taken about a year ago, look closely on the left... theres a mirror carp, I caught him on a hook, he was 100mm long, and he now feeds out my hand too, hes about 3,5kg now, still black though. Some where, I cant see it in this pic is a grass carp too, also caught small , he too went black. Read up some where that carp do that, they blend to their surroundings.
 

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Klipperus

New member
That is pretty sweet spod im to scared to do that with the bacteria Factor some of my fish are worth a fortune. And cant afford a outbreak of a disease.
 

MadCarper

Sealiner
You guys are like a bunch of old ladies slapping eachother with your handbags, hahahahaa!!! And Pappi is the one who has a big stone in his handbag, hahahaa!!!!
:hyst::hyst::hyst::hyst::hyst:


John had a clear leader on if I can remember correctly, so eventhough his mainline was orange, the last few metres of line leading up to the hookbait was not. So it shouldnt be a problem. The second reason why he used orange line, is that the rowers coming past can see it quite easily. Well I think that is probably just a bonus...
Offcourse the water being murky also helped conceal his line, as someone pointed out earlier.

I have seen a friend of mine who fishes the Protea champs and SA champs use flouro-yellow leaders. he does this so he can see when the fish is close (when he can see the leader). But in comp fising you create a feeding frenzy and in this situation the carp really dont give a crap about a piece of high-viz line in the swim, all they want is food...

But I do feel with fishing for big weary carp, high viz line might not be the best option. There's no scientific proof, but looking at how well carp can see, I'd rather be safe and have my line concealed.

klipperus, mono = monofilament. If I was you I would fish with mono until you have gained confidence in this style of angling. After all the time I've been fishing this way I still prefer my monofilament line. As Spod mentioned, its much more forgiving. Its abrasion resistant, it stretches which absorbs some of the pressure of fighting a fish, etc. It's does have its downsides, but its overall the best option.
Braid is good as well, but I would say it comes into its own more when you fish long to extreme range where you want to have instant indication of a bite. especially when fishing near snags or obstructions. When fishing like this you also need that extra direct bullying power on the fish to prevent it from going into those snags, obstructions.

But the danger with braid, especially when you are not used to it, is that you can easily put too much pressure on the fish, tearing the hook out of its mouth...

Spod, hope I didnt just repeat all that you said earlier, hahahahaa!!!

About shock leaders, I think if you do alot of casting, it definitely helps to have them on. And I have found the same Sufix leader material to be VERY abrasion resistant. Whenever I've had a fish caught in reeds I wasnt really worried. Got in my boat, when to get the fish and 99% of the time the fish was still on and the leader still doing its job.
Just one tip though, is that if you are using leaders, the leader will have quite a thick diameter. This means the knot you use to tie the leader to your thinner diameter mainline, needs to be tapered, so that when you cast, that it goes through the eyes of your rod as smoothly as possible. if the knot is bulky it could damage your rod's eyes and/or snap the mainline at the leader, on the cast.

I hardly ever do long range casting, and mostly use my boat to go and place my lines, so i dont have to worry too much about a tapered knot.
Tapered knots = Mahin knot... cant think of another good one right now, lol!

Hey about lights on the water, that only comes into play when you are fishing close-range and near the margins. Loud noise and music, well, seen many times how it can switch your fishing off.

:blah:blah:blah:blah:wfish
 

Klipperus

New member
MC Do you have a pic of this tapered knot you are talking about coz ill save up so i can buy a boat and until im casting.
 

Spod

Senior Member
Hey, MC, ole gal! we were waiting for you to make an appearance with your lead filled kitbag!.... hehehehe!

Nicely said there, just had a problem with the blah blah blah at the end, couldnt understand what you were rambling on about .. .. .. ... lol!

I suppose you can tell these walls have been getting to me this weekend ... I should be at the dam... bored out of my mind, but sadly... that darn grass has grown again so Im doing the garden route again... geez! neverending!

Klippies! check this link out, Mahin knot there, how to tie. (bit of a tricky knot, needs practice)

http://www.carp-uk.net/knots/shockknots.htm
 

MadCarper

Sealiner
hehehe... it does take practice. the pic is the finished knot and is nicely tapered. there is another knot that also comes out fairly tapered, just cant remember what its called, haha. dammit.!

klipperus, the trick with the mahin is to use your fingers to push the knot together, and the whole thing must be wet at all times. if you pull the whole lot tight too fast or without enough 'lubricant' the pieces of line will damage eachother via friction and it will then snap.

You can try the blood knot too, but test is properly first. I have used it in the past but not for long, so...

http://www.kevin.l.j.knight.btinternet.co.uk/knots.htm

or the double-grinner knot...
 

Spod

Senior Member
I know this has nothng to do with this thread, but its for my koi lover friend, Klipperus.

Klippies....

You are absolutely correct, intoducing new fish does cause a headache.

When I caught those carp, I put them in quarentine for 6weeks, which is the norm, a serarate pond, and treated the water they were in after a week, with anti-bac/fungi/paracite muti... then when that was done, started weening them off that water, by adding my ponds water after draining off water, eventually they were practically in my ponds water... then 3 weeks later, and after doing scrape tests and checking under the microscope, and being happy that there were no infections, paracites etc. introduced them to my main pond... must admit, I was scared to do it, but everything went well.

My first load of koi, cost me well over R7000, for 6 fish, and had them for 6months, I lost the lot, due to my maid who decided to wash the windows and dropped the bucket she was using in the pond, I wasnt home at the time, when I got home, my driveway was full of foam, the sunlight liquid she used killed them all within an hour. eish! imagine how mad I was.... and how jobless she was.

The koi I have now also cost an arm and a leg, and I have one that Im a bit upset about, the guy asured me it was good, but as it grew, shimmies started appearing, well, I dont show them, so thats not the problem, its just it shouldnt have that.... but, it has tuned out to be the leading personallity in the pond lol!
 

Spod

Senior Member
PC, thanx man, just my make up! whaaahahaa! no, MC, not out of my handbag! lol!

Just passionate about things in general.
 

Klipperus

New member
Well Spod i have thought of it but never went got to it.

I just moved to Durban had to leave my kio's in PE. :cry1

But i def. will have another one built here,

Spod on another note, when i was living up in Pta i had probs with Kingfishers nabbing them you?

 
 
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