I just red your coments, I learned how to cast with a grinder in freshwater and later upgraded to multplier reels and sea water. I still strugle to cast with a grinder on a surf rod, The grips on the surf and freshwater rods are swaped around , on a freshwater rod the longer grip is on the back of the reel to add leverage and on surf rods the longer grip is in front of the reel to accomodate for a bucket and a multiplier. Try a few casts with a freshwater rod just to get the feel of the release en direction and then change back to the surf rod. when I go surf fishing i take a good quality freshwater rod with, laugh if you want but when the tyre hits the road and casting distance makes the differance i go back to my freshwater rod, the placement of your hands on a freshwater rod with the longer butt makes the cast so much esier. works for me.