I have been reading about the boating incidents ov

CLS

Senior Member
Hi guys, a very interseting thread, I have always been a mono hull boat owner and recently purchased a cat,(I know launch from DSBC) I have done surf launchs from a number of spots as well as through the Tugela mouth where I lived for many years.  What I would like to know from the experienced cat owners who surf launch is do you go straight into a wave as a mono or do you take it semi side on. There seem to be many conflicting answers around. My natural instinct and past experience tells me to go straight. If your gut feel is not right on the day don't launch.

Safety first.

 
 

jared

New member
Hi Guys

I did my skippers beach launch course with Anton Gets at shelley beach. The first thing he told us was never to hit the surf head on but rather at a slight angle

This he maintained with mono or cat hulls, He showed us some launches at shelly where the skipper hit the the waves head on with spectacular results but i also noted the skippers in most cases kept the power on or were on the plane when hitting the wave rather than the preferred taps off when having to punch
 

thika

Sealiner
Further to Sea Sick's "LAUNCHING IN BIG SWELLS" thread, and the

Shelly Beach video posted by BFC, have a look at these old posts:

There is a lot of info in it
 

Mouldz

Sealiner
thika wrote:
Reviving this thread:

Anyone know what the story is with thunderstorms and lightning at sea?

VHF aerials, marlin outriggers, carbon rods stuck in the T-top and so on?

Please share your knowledge guys!

We were at sea the other day on one of those "heavy" days ,you could feel the electricity in the air,we dropped anchor and started baiting up,the sea was like a lake and all was quite,I heard this wierd humming/buzzing noise,I could not figure it out,when I looked up I could see through the bottom of one of the stainless steel rocket launches,and one of the rods with a steel butt was still in the tube and it was arching green lighting between the rod and the tube,quite freaky
 

willem wikkel spies

Moderator
Staff member
yes thika
a very informative tread indeed.
we were tought, that kill switches are not need when launching and beeching.

last year with the aqua quad at vidal i had to stand up to get the boat lined up for beeching.
the wave came and i took it. as i sat down, the passenger grabbed hold of the kill switch line and pulled it out.

you can imagine what happened, no start and 3.8 wave opproaching.
luckily we did not sustain any injuries.

boat was up and running 3 hours later.

so i decided to use a fixed kill switch, just for this reason.
but i have to change over once inside, cause should it happen that one fall of a boat that is in gear, there is no way for you to catch it.

yes guys, be safe
 

thika

Sealiner
I once read somewhere about guys drifting under a gathering thunderstorm

The static was so intense it lifted the nylon lines clear out the water

So, if you think about it, you are the only object out there with all the metal, aerials and CF rods

Toast!
 

Berty

New member
Yup, on a Ski-boat you would be in a bad way.

There is a misconception that boats are not at risk, which is generally true in the case of yachts, as the stays/shrouds create what is known a faraday cage. Lightning tends to run around the outside of a metal structure.
This is the same reason that it is generally safe in a car, nothing to do with rubber tires!
The lightning has just arced through a 1000ft of air, it has no problem arcing from a cars body to the ground. The charge simply runs around the outer skin of the car.

There are some great videos on youtube of planes being struck during takeoff, with the lightning striking near the nose, and another arc reaching from the underside to the ground. It is estimated that most commercial jets get struck once per year, generally not even realising it.
 

Hank

New member
I checked outriggers lying on the floor at our moorings once... They had been struck by lightning and they actually looked like a black rope. the only way I could tell they were riggers was from the steel base. Do you reckon that persons on a boat would get fried if this happened while out at sea.
 

Berty

New member
lightning is by no means a well understood phenomenon.

the theory would tend to be that a strike to an outrigger or rod over the side would travel to the gunwale and then down to the water line...

but fibreglass boats with minimal superstructure make application of the faraday cage concept difficult.

in the same breath they also present a less attractive target to lightning than a yacht or similar.

you wouldnt want to be holding a rod with your feed in water on the deck during a strike.
 

thika

Sealiner
thika wrote:
I have been reading about the boating incidents over the last week or so, notably the boat that half sank and was towed in on the West Coast, and the guy that parted company with his boat whilst one-man navionics fixing somewhere offshore from Knysna.

I then read an unrelated post from Hammertime about how you need to really know your rig to increase chances of survival in storm conditions...nightmare stuff, makes you shyte yourself, but there you are...in your face, but we all know the man is right!

So I was thinking that things can go wrong on even the calmest of days, and that sharing "wrong-going" experiences can save lives or at the very least, your boat!

Here is my piece:

I lived and worked on the South Coast from '88 till '96 of which the last 3 years I was farming in Port Edward...I know the sea and I know my boat. So here we are...myself, my two youngest sons and a friend and we want to drive into and up the Mtentu to spend the weekend ( this magnificent river is about 14 nm into the Transkei, very narrow mouth at the time, bricks on the north and sand on the south)

I attach a picture of how thin this mouth is, because then easier to explain how things went wrong:

There is a big southerly swell running from previous wind, but now hardly any wind and sea nearly smooth. I have my landmarks, and on the back of the last swell of a set we head for the mouth...trouble is, had been raining, so the river coming down quite strong and helped along by the outgoing tide, there are some big standing waves. We now out of the surf, and I tap down for this little washing machine thing.

Big mistake...

Next thing we get starboard klapped by something no one saw or knows what, to this day...must have been a huge refracted wave of the rocks on that side...only my friend left standing in front, myself in the gunwhale with the two kids on top of me!

Now it is a crisis...by the time I'm back at the controls, the boat had swung and points at the bricks and the next set is nearly on us! So, hard starboard, cavitate like hell, port motor only just missing the rocks, through the foam, about turn and back again and into safety of the river...everyone in shock

So my thoughts are that, if I had the laniards on my wrist that day, with cut motors, we would have lost the boat and people would have been injured or dead

On another outing I have flipped myself backwards out of a tiller steering inflatable right on the backline on a hard starboard swing ...also no laniards, but at least my wife could handle things that time, and we were near shore.

It's like safety belts..we know we should wear them, but I have a friend nearly burnt dead in his Renault Gordini because he was stuck in his belt

There are times when you cannot lose thrust or seconds, like when surf launching or -beaching, or when your boat is busy broaching in a behind-sea and you need steering...the experienced guys should please add to this

 

As for me, will not wear them...rather shackle myself to the steering...quick release though!

If you must, make the tie to the throttle box longer than the length of your boat!

 

 

 

 

 

Man,

I LOVED this place

Bennie, you could drift down there in 6 hours from Port Edward

Kingfish galore
 

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thika

Sealiner
Following onto the Ballito Lifesaver Duck thread,have a look at this old thread:

There is a lot of useful info wrt killswitches and surf launching
 

armgesukkel

New member
Thank You Guys this was the most rewarding posts i have been reading for a long time learn a lot here and also a reminder do not be a cowboy out there the sea does not take prisoners :sval:
 
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