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FLUKE

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Interesting!! I will read up a bit on this in due course.
The casting champions however adjust the magnets mid cast and I'm not convinced the average Joe catching Bluefish could be bothered with that let alone maximise it's benefits.

Like I said, I'm not really into all this cast control so I think Shimano got it right but that's just my opinion and either way there are more important things on a reel that concern me so this would not be a deal breaker for me.
 
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Ray11

Sealiner
Some interesting comments on casting of reels. As some of the regular guys probably know. I have recently been inquiring on bearings, magnets and centrifugal breaks. This has lead me to do quite a bit of research on the net and also chatting to some competition casters themselves. Now I know this is not the intended purpose of the post but casting is a passion of mine. Heres some of the really basic purposes of the use of breaks and bearings specifically for casting and what actually makes a good casting reel.

The spindle believe it or not, plays a vital role in the smoothness of the cast. When a spool is spinning at high speed is creating a lot of energy with tranfers to the spindle which in turn can distort or vibrate the spool causing it to ever so slightly touch the frame. Now this would slow down the spool speed and effectively lessening the casting distance. Some of the top casting brand of reels have half to 1mm thicker spindle for this exact purpose.

The second part is the bearings. The smoothness and precession of the bearing allows maximum speed at a controlled rate allowing the spool to release the line more effectively. Hence most, not all champion casters use hybrid ceramic bearings because of their tolerance level.

Thirdly. Centrifugal breaks serve a purpose and magnets serve a purpose.
Centrifugal breaks assist in the initial start up of the cast. At the spools highest speed all the energy produced to push out the breaks onto the breaking wall causes the spool to slow down. As the spool looses speed the breaks retract from the wall having less or no effect on the cast at that point.

The mags on the other hand assist in a later period. It takes a few moments for the energy produced by the spool rotation to create enough stopping force or sufficient stopping force.

Hence most of the champion casters use a combination of centrifugal breaks and magnets. One part of the breaks used for the initial start up and the second for the follow through. Allowing a caster to confidently control the reel. Makes logical sense. And that's the short of it.
 
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FLUKE

Sealiner
Eish Chaps my old school education that excluded maths and science must finally be catching up with me :rasta

I mentioned all this magnetic control stuff to someone and they said is a bit like a Squirrel Cage electric motor......

Ray, thanks for putting that in perspective, what you say makes a lot more sense than someone trying to prove there way is better than the other way.

I've never really bothered with cast control on anything other than a bass reel and they had magnets for years and then the NEW REVOLUTION was adjustable centrifugal cast control. Now the new revolution in rock & surf is magnets :rasta:rasta:rasta

I'll just leave my old school right thumb controlling the revolution of my reels for now :clow
 
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Ray11

Sealiner
FLUKE wrote:
Eish Chaps my old school education that excluded maths and science must finally be catching up with me :rasta

I mentioned all this magnetic control stuff to someone and they said is a bit like a Squirrel Cage electric motor......

Ray, thanks for putting that in perspective, what you say makes a lot more sense than someone trying to prove there way is better than the other way.

I've never really bothered with cast control on anything other than a bass reel and they had magnets for years and then the NEW REVOLUTION was adjustable centrifugal cast control. Now the new revolution in rock & surf is magnets :rasta:rasta:r
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I'll just leave my old school right thumb controlling the revolution of my reels for now :clow
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it's my pleasure fluke. we all discover new things all the time and with fishing becoming a true science its only normal to ask, question and then decided what's best for you. be It thumb, breaks, mags or a combination of everything. but with the Reel market becoming so competitive with all these new brands it pays to know.
 
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bambooskollie

Sealiner
SHIMANO,

Please design and release the NEW TORIUM sizes 14 and 16N with an Adjustable Magnetic Cast Control.

My Best Regards

Bambooskollie
 
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bambooskollie

Sealiner
Something like this perhaps !

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Not DC - keep it simple and low cost

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FLUKE

Sealiner
Here is a Daiwa for you, they were making mag control reels Many Many years ago;)
 

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Pylstert

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FLUKE wrote:
Here is a Daiwa for you, they were making mag control reels Many Many years ago;)
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Yip, its really old, but was stopped in the bigger reels, but now Avet are making big mag reels again. Don't worry about being confused Fluke, it's ok ::jest I am sure Chris also doesn't use mag reels so you are not on your own :)
 
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FLUKE

Sealiner
LOL, I understand a bit about all this but must admit I had never put 2 & 2 together about magnets and moving Aluminium causing current etc etc but I guess it's a lot like a generator / electric motor.

Overall I just get fascinated by marketing and mindsets. Mag reels have come and gone over the years and no company has ever really made the concept stick on a bigger casting multiplier. Now maybe that is because outside of SA almost nobody uses them for casting or maybe it's because it's not really viable.

Then comes centrifugal, cheap and simple, definitely effective in semi-skilled hands and removed by 80% of skilled casters.

Then Grinders come along and everybody thinks Grinders are the "be all and end all" of fishing, you can use braid with no overruns!!

Suddenly Mag'ing of reels is the big thing and why, maybe because it works or maybe because the multiplier market is about to crash at the hands of spinning reels?? although why should the reel manufacturers care because grinders cost more than multipliers and don't last as long...........

So the verdict of my waffling:
I doubt reel manufacturers will spend a lot developing cast control systems for big multipliers that are intended for boat angling.

I hope aftermarket dedicated Mag systems can produce better results and time will prove whether or not they can! because there are people like me that want to use braid but swear by multipliers and a bit of cast control wouldn't hurt
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Spool-Song

Sealiner
This got me thinking that for those who like fishing for big inedibles, its probably a good time to stock up on Torium 50's. As I reckon they are going to become a valued item in the future for people wanting to fish with 1km of line.

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