Howzit guys Our club representitives recently h

[Gold_Shark]

Howzit guys

Our club representitives recently had S Cape's AGM and two important points where voted in for the coming season.

Sliding is out......

Gaffing is back in.......

 

I personally don't really care whether sliding is in or out, but I'm not to fond of the idea that gaffing is back in. Apparently tests were done and concluded that sharks sustain more damage if we play them longer to find a suitable place to land them. I don't have the knowledge to say who's right or wrong so can the guys from the other provinces please comment and answer the following questions;

1. which provinces will be sliding this coming season?

2. which provinces will be gaffing this season?

3. can we get some expert advice on "playing" vs "gaffing". Greg, Raymond, Spyker, Dean, Godfather?

 

What will happen at the nationals? will gaffing and sliding be in or out? 

 

[Shark man]

I was very suprised.

Also interested to know what the other provinces are going to do.

I think some people are going to be very upset.

 

 

[Gold_Shark]

Come on! No one interested in the future of our sport?

 

[skrops]

Bryan Rapson wrote in the Tight Lines, November 2007 issue when he did a article on sliding, said that a day before the national championships in western cape, organizer cannned sliding.

I quote: An unprecedented decision was take unilaterally by the organizers to ban this form of angling for the tournament. The results were amongst the lowest ever recorded in a National event of this nature and the provinces who had taken the effort to master the use of the slide made a silent protest to the fact.

don't know when this happened, maybe someone can speak to Bryan. what to do about it...........don't know either.

 

[POMMIE]

If they do away with sliding then all the luck to your competition guy's. My sentiment's is that if u need big fish then u need to get bigger baits deeper and the only way is by SLIDING.

 

[Whaler]

HMM....

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=6966&forum_id=1

 

[Eagle1]

Hi there,

I personally think that gaffing should not be used unless there is know other choice.

 

[Karma]

[color=#006600]skrops[/color] wrote:

Bryan Rapson wrote in the Tight Lines, November 2007 issue when he did a article on sliding, said that a day before the national championships in western cape, organizer cannned sliding.

I quote: An unprecedented decision was take unilaterally by the organizers to ban this form of angling for the tournament. The results were amongst the lowest ever recorded in a National event of this nature and the provinces who had taken the effort to master the use of the slide made a silent protest to the fact.

don't know when this happened, maybe someone can speak to Bryan. what to do about it...........don't know either.

Hi

As usual Indaba's takes lots of compromise and debate but must be said done in great spirit within the Western Cape.  Started at 8.00am and ended at 3.00pm with lots of issues covered, compromised and agreed upon.  These salient features however have to be adopted and ratified at the WCSAA AGM to be held in June before it comes into effect, so all of the issues I list below is merely conjecture until ratified..

PROVISIONALLY, these are some of the things agreed upon within WCSAA

# League will start in October and end in April
# 8 comp's in total for the season
# One West C and 1 Struis and the others "local"
#  Included in the 8 in ONE Postal style comp
#  Strand Reefs included in the 2 November comp's (legislation precludes any other time during our season really)
#  Livies in all comp's
#  Sliders in until OR if SASAA has a different ruling

#  Gaff hooks to be limited to 12/0 tunny hook or smaller

#  Gaffing to take place selectively, particularly around the mountain areas (discouraged on beaches where fish can be safely landed)


Other issues were unlimited sandies at 1 point each on sight
Stretchers to be used on a trial basis this upcoming season
Barbless on all SLIDE BAITS (no breakaway trace line to be used)


Sorry, did not feel like retyping some of these things, so just copied and paste jobby from elsewhere.  The gist is that we are using sliders and will support the use of sliders at the SASAA AGM (again, emphasis once ratified at our AGM these issues will come into effect.

Not to offer critique to any other club or association, but Indaba's and/or AGM's are held where each affiliated club comes with a mandate on a predetermined agenda to the meeting.  Once the meeting is convened, each club has an equal vote and based on the mandate from your club's general body, will vote accordingly.  This would therefore imply that the majority of clubs and by extensions the majority of members would have agreed with this stance.  Therefore I find a disconnect with some of the assertions raised in this an another thread.  just my 2c


 

 

[Shark man]

I heard they changed the areas as well.

Don't worry next year they will change it back.

Where is the other provinces, what do you think?

 

[Raggieman]

Banning Slides - then one might as well ban the use of live baits and restrict anglers to certain rods reels and line diameter and also make bait issue standard as all this things add an advantage

it should be a matter of preference to the angler.

 

[Shark man]

In the old days we did not have slides and we did very well in competitions.  Remember we all have to compete at the same level.  I am not that sad about the new rule.

In fact I think this next season is going to be very interesting.  The work pace will have to pick up for some anglers.

Remember anny one can cast a sinker far and slide a bait.  Not every one can cast a big bait far.

To cast a big bait long distances is a art.

Just to get the debate going.

 

[Oom Bos]

This is indeed a very interesting move by Southern Cape. I do believe that it takes more skill to throw a big bait than to slide it, so this will really up the skill levels. This is also a good idea with the focus on 2009 Nationals in Zululand where you can catch the diamonds on throw baits, and given the better work rate with throw baits a person casting baits as supposed to sliding will get more of those things out.

 

[Reefman]

OK I'm seriously confused now...

Are Southern Cape and Western Cape adopting different rules and agenda's for their respective Association league sessions? Surely, WPSAA should call the shots as to how and what the respective regional areas rules should be?

 

[Donovin]

Hi Guys,

At present, in the Zululand league, there is no talk of banning the slide at all. Although, we have previously instituted that sliding can only be done in Postal rounds. But, this was more to get the guys to learn how to throw big baits again.

On the issue of gaffing, our league has never banned gaffing at all. However, we do recommend not using a gaff wherever possible. And to try encourage this, we have introduced a scoring system that gives the individual an extra 20% of points for the fish if no gaff was used. Believe it or not, this plays on the anglers mind all the time and you'll often hear screams of "Don't Gaff"

I think you have to weigh up the anglers safety to the small amount of damage to the fish, IF gaffed properly.

We are fortunate enough in Zululand that, in most cases the big fish come off the beaches which makes it much easier to grab a fish by the tail etc. rather than gaffing.

Regards

Donovin

 

[Karma]

[color=#0066cc]Reefman[/color] wrote:

OK I'm seriously confused now...

Are Southern Cape and Western Cape adopting different rules and agenda's for their respective Association league sessions? Surely, WPSAA should call the shots as to how and what the respective regional areas rules should be?

Hi Reefer

 

The two associations are both affiliates of SASAA that operate independently from each other.  West Coast for example have used only barbless hooks for a number of seasons now, whereas we only using it on slides from this season.  We (WCSAA) is but merely an association as any other whether it be Zululand or Free State. 

We have adopted a number of issues domestically that was later adopted and recommended (not compelled to) by SASAA.

Within WCSAA the following are non negotiable

# Use of litter bucket a compulsory item

# Standardised individual angler numbers to be worn

# Each baitbox must have your number clearly displayed

# Each club has official colours and clothing items to conform

#  Like Zululand, we also have never outlawed the use of sliders

#  Gaffing is allowed within the context of safety and moral convictions

These issues were however adopted via majority vote of the member clubs who had about 2 weeks to review and consult with their constituent members before the indaba takes place.  Therefore if slides are banned in the SC, then it should be because the majority of members of the affiliated clubs and the majority of affiliated clubs to the league was in favour of that ruling.  If not so, then that is another issue for debate.

 

[zzzz]

I like the point of getting more points if you don't gaff! Definitely more reason not to gaff, is that still an option for us karma ? Or was the Indaba the only place to get that in there ?

cheers

 

[Karma]

[color=#006600]Oom Bos[/color] wrote:

This is indeed a very interesting move by Southern Cape. I do believe that it takes more skill to throw a big bait than to slide it, so this will really up the skill levels. This is also a good idea with the focus on 2009 Nationals in Zululand where you can catch the diamonds on throw baits, and given the better work rate with throw baits a person casting baits as supposed to sliding will get more of those things out.

Hi Oom Bos

Whilst I agree with your contention that throwing a big bait is more skilfull, the are a number of other factors to consider.  Robbie Janse did an exercise whereby he threw a bit on one rod and slid a bait with another over an extended number of sessions.  Anybody who knows Robbie will attest to his abilities as one of the finest anglers with great angling abilities.  The results shows that more fish/pulls were achieved (72% better results) from slides than throw baits.  This then brings us to the next question.  Why do we fish?

We are the only association within SASAA that grew our membership over the past season (by 16%) and things like sliders is one of the reasons that facilitated that process as many anglers are intruiged by this technique. Yes, ESA to mention one aspect, is one of those reasons why potential league anglers start experimenting with the use of sliders etc., but the moral of the assertion is that all available opportunities should be used to enhance the catch rate of anglers.  These are but merely my opinion and but i'd hazard to say represent the views of most anglers in our province.

 

[Gold_Shark]

Guys thanks for all the feedback but can we please get some numbers going to see which provinces will be sliding and gaffing this season.

 

[Oom Bos]

I would also agree that sliding should be included and it is the angler himself that decides on the method he wants to adopt given the conditions. Interesting results from Robbie. I wonder whether the reason for the increased pulls is due to extra distance on the slides or whether it is the fact that a fish doesn't feel pressure when he picks up a slide bait. Interesting results though. Is there anyone that can elaborate on the reason Southern Cape decided to ban slides this season?

 

[Karma]

[color=#006600]mike corbett[/color] wrote:

I like the point of getting more points if you don't gaff! Definitely more reason not to gaff, is that still an option for us karma ? Or was the Indaba the only place to get that in there ?

cheers

100% Mike.  It is definitely one to look at but unfortunately the Indaba was the only forum to bring it to the fore.  We will have to wait until next year's Indaba to bring it up, but I think there well definitely be buy-in from most clubs to this innovation.  KZN also have a number of things they do differently and maybe Ronnie could provide more details, but definitely worth looking at. 

I think that one of the main reasons why sliders produce more is that most of the gutters we have is fairly far offshore 130 -200 + metres where wading is just a suicidal option eg Tweede Baai, Eerste Baai, bird sanctuary, allerman se draai, beespens etc.  To get a bonnie head/yellow tail head 150+ metres is virtually impossible for 95% or even 100% of the anglers and that is really the issue.  some places such as the damn's of the west coast to areas, the near gutters in the E/Cape, or where you can swim to a bank and put out a cast bait such as KZN provides a bit of respite.  From the records, it also indicates the progression in terms of size of fish caught since the advent of the slider technique.  A 100kg bronze whaler would be the talk of the fraternity in the W/Cape 10 years ago and now seems to be just another catch which provides some type of empirical evidence that it allows bigger fish to be targetted for a greater audience of anglers.