how to fish topwaters

cranky

Senior Member
let me start by telling you there is no time of day better than all day to fish a top water...if you look at the post new dam...the second fish in the thread was caught on a topwater.

ask yourself how often do you catch bass as the lure hits the water...be it early morning...midday or afternoon...from experience i can tell you many a time...so then you have to ask yourself why do people always tell you to fish topwaters early morning or late afternoon...time spent on the water will help you to decide when is a good time...you will also find it you are fishing lily pads etc and casting onto the lily pads you will catch bass all day long pulling the lure over the top...sometimes all it takes is a cloudy day.

the trick is the speed and type of lure...up until recently the horny toad was my favourite top water lure...because you can fish it like a buzzbait along the top at high speed...you can slow it down so that it just makes a wake...or you can fish it extremely slowly...then let it sink and boy have i got some nice fish doing just that...

i remember one occassion at inanda around 2 pm in the afternoon fishing was very  very slow...we stopped in a bay near s bends to have some lunch and a cold drink...while in the bay i decided to throw the horny toad to the side and retrieve it slowly along the top just creating a wake...i didnt get any hits so i decide to retrieve it back till i knew there was a stump below the surface and paused...i almost lost my rod...i wasnt expecting to hook and land a fish just under 3 kg

my new faourite frog floats...sometimes i wonder if the horny toads is not catching as many fish because there are so many people using it now...just like the crankbaits...we use to catch fish lots of big fish using norman cranks...i believe because there are now so mnay people using norman cranks the bass get use to the sound and look of lures...i have notice on numerous occassion i have changed to the new cranks i have been trying out and i get fish...put the norman crnak on and the bite is slow and small.

out of all the KVD bass fishing dvds...there is one thing that stands out the most for me and thats llure presentation...not the rod...reel...or type of lure...it is how you present your lure...i believe that is what makes him the number one bass fisherman in the world....the next time you watch a KVD dvd take note of his presentation.

remeber the presentation is not only the cast but also the retrieve...the manner in which you present the lure...making sure the bait lands where you intended it to...making sure the crank runs straight...the plastic doesnt roll in the water...sometimes a high cast with a big slash will make the bass hit the lure...sometimes skimming the lure across the water will generate a strike...and sometimes a quiet presentation will suddenly generate a strike...i hope this helps a little...to improve your topwater success...as i have mentioned before...if you live in durban feel free to contact us to spend a day on the water with us...if you are new and starting out rory has alot of experience and has taught me a lot about bass fishing...i am sure guys who have spent days on the water with rory will tell you he knows his stuff...and is always willing to share.

the best part about it...is it is FREE.
 

 
 

cranky

Senior Member
thanks...its just the beginning...please feel free to ask any questions...the reason i started this thread was because of a request in another thread.

what is a top water lure...a fluke...NOT..in fact it is...it depends on how you fish it...many years ago we were fishing a club comp (eagle bassmasters) at hazelmere...the fishing was slow...rory and his son craig da silva where fishing the bank...should i say rory was fishing and craig relaxing...as they came closer to us...craig got up and cast into an area that i had spent a while trying and trying to get a bite...first cast fish on 2 kg +...was i cross...this has happened on numerous occassion...where i would be fishing and craig and rory or craigs mate shaun john would come along a bank catching fish after fish...so i got rory to show me what they were doing...fishing a weightless fluke.

this is one of the most successful techniques i have ever used to date...now why i mentioned it in this thread...because the weightless fluke can be used as a top water lure...just like a zara spook...walking the dog...if you put the fluke onto the hook correctly and straight you can get the fluke to move from left to right on the surface or just below the surface...just twitching it like a jerk bait...fast or slow...and now with the ZTOO...it works even better...the trick is to use different weight hooks...the heaier the hook the mor ethe ZTOO suspends...this technique catches plenty of little fish....osmetimes lots of little ones but hey if it means sitting on the boat and blanking or catching 50 little ones...i am going for the 50 little ones...believe me it also catches big fish...if you do your homework you will see pictures of rory holding some monster 4kg + fish on the front page of the sabass mag is one example..we joke all the time while fishing about this...i always believe big lures catch big fish...rory has proved me wrong more times than i can remeber.

now having the privilage of fishing with some great fisherman...like shannon munn he has also shown me how fishing a little popper can aslo produce big fish...which also proves my theory wrong.

we all have our special lures...and techniques...get confident with a  lure or technique and put in the time to perfect it and trust me you will become successful with it.

i have have always been a gadget man wanting all the fancy stuff...big motor...fast trolling motor...fancy colour fish finder...but have never been in a position to afford it...so unfortunatley i have had to learn to catch fish using other methods to be competitive...and not relied on modern technology...dont get me wrong if you are a great fisherman all the technolgy will do is enhance your fishing abilty...my point is dont get caught up in technology if you cant afford it...rather learn to catch fish then save up and invest your money in it as you progress or can afford it.





 

 
 

Andre Laas

Sealiner
Great post cranky!!! I also like to fish topwaters according to conditions and structure rather than time of day, and 9/10 times, the first lure that I cast is a Zoom Horny Toad, as it is such a versatile lure.

 
 

Ryanie

New member
Nice post Cranky,

I have been using the Arkansas Shiner and it has been doing the damage for me at Inanda...
 
Nice post and very helpfull info, what you're saying is true, however in Gauteng topwater is way more difficult than on  dams in KZN and in MAN's (Nelspuit) region as these are prime topwater venues, Gauteng.

What I've found is that in Gauteng, Topwater is predominantly only a successful technique if is is in low light conditions, really cloudy, early morning and late afternoon and early night, with the exception of lilypads and grass that canopies out onto the surface, here it doesn't matter what time of day it is, you're bound to get smacked and it goes without saying that the lure they cannot resist and that fishes without any hassle is the Zoom Horny Toad, BASSTID of a lure it is for these kinds of structure.

I recently also had the experience of Mid-day topwater action, in between the lilly's, where I drifted and every so often just gave the Spro frog a twitch or two and picked a 3kg bus, this was around 12:30 on a hot cloudless day, again it was deep into the lilly pads and that is the only place it would have happened.

So what I am saying is simply that if the water you fish is in Gauteng and theres no clouds, no lilly's or surface grass, and it's not early morning or late afternoon, then leave the topwater lure till any of these factors present itself, then don't hesitate to cast your arm off.
 

Ryan

Sealiner
Topwater bycatch.... Zara spook

Errrrr sorry this is bass.....
 

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cranky

Senior Member
i watched a dvd last night about fishing the transkei rivers...i noticed them also catching fish on topwater...and shallow runners...twitching and letting it pop to the surface...they were catching a variety of fish.

i recently decided to get setup for fishing river and dropshotting...after speaking to my mate anton...he scared the living daylights out of me with prices he had paid to get setup...so i contacted shannon for prices...i couldnt believe how cheap it is for dropshot rods and reels we ended up buying a couple of rods and reels and braid...i even bought a salt water baitcaster to try out because they were so cheap.

 
 

cranky

Senior Member
Fishing Adventures wrote:
Here is an article I wrote on fishing topwater for Bass about 2 years ago.

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=24743&forum_id=77

looks like some good points there i will take the time to read it when i have some time...what type of braid do you use for the light stuff?

we have been trying all the diffrent braids since about 2004...but i found the best for heavy duty on a baitcaster...power pro 50 lb...i could never get thinner power pro...i even asked murchinsons to get hold of the supplier...back when she was still in the little shop...but it got to a point where the distributor couldnt supply for whatever reason...now neil at complete angler brings has it in different sizes.

we use viper braid only the black for the light stuff...the only problem i cannot get it anymore.

one of the problem i have found using thin braid on a spinning reel is when it peels off the reel and you get a knot...boy are you in trouble.

i have found the best rod for weightless flukes...is a 7ft cherrywood medium action with a 1000 sidestab...size and thickness of the the swivel and hook...to the speed you want the lure to drop.
 

Cpt. Hook

Sealiner
cranky wrote:
Fishing Adventures wrote:
Here is an article I wrote on fishing topwater for Bass about 2 years ago.

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=24743&forum_id=77

looks like some good points there i will take the time to read it when i have some time...what type of braid do you use for the light stuff?

we have been trying all the diffrent braids since about 2004...but i found the best for heavy duty on a baitcaster...power pro 50 lb...i could never get thinner power pro...i even asked murchinsons to get hold of the supplier...back when she was still in the little shop...but it got to a point where the distributor couldnt supply for whatever reason...now neil at complete angler brings has it in different sizes.

we use viper braid only the black for the light stuff...the only problem i cannot get it anymore.

one of the problem i have found using thin braid on a spinning reel is when it peels off the reel and you get a knot...boy are you in trouble.

i have found the best rod for weightless flukes...is a 7ft cherrywood medium action with a 1000 sidestab...size and thickness of the the swivel and hook...to the speed you want the lure to drop.
Double X Grey 10lb on a Penn Sargus 2000 with a Crucial 6.8 M or Jigman 16lb on a 7ft Crucial M cranking stick with Curado 7:1 is all I use for Topwater, I never go for that heavy stuff.
 
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