How long has the tackle industry got left

[Mouldz]

I have been sitting at work thinking ,how long will the fishing tackle business last in S.A, given the following facts.

1.More and more legislation is been passed that is mostly aimed at the recreational fisherman while the real criminals go about their business untouched

2.The boating industry is becoming finacialy unviable to the guy that just wants to retire next to the river and fish when he feels like it

3.How long befor Mr Zuma signs over fishing rights to his new puppet masters ,China


Lets face it the little bit of conservation that we as rec fisherman do does not help much in saving fish stocks when our officials couldnt be bothered chasing the real criminals

So what are your thoughts? how long before the recreational fisherman becomes a museum piece.

 

[Upcoming Star]

Never... Don't think it will ever "collapse"...

 

[braailegend]

Tackle will sell even if no fish gets caught... because only the best tackle can catch fish

 

[Kallieklip]

braailegend wrote:

Tackle will sell even if no fish gets caught... because only the best tackle can catch fish

Ek glo nie dit nie want ek sien elke week hoe plaasarbeiders by my met spaanseriet en kurkprop en klein stukkie boulyn en erdwurm karp vang.

 

[Seeker1]

Not sure how many people on here remember the first oil crisis in 1973. Over night there were fuel restrictions, the price skyrocketed, you had to get a permit from a magistrate before you could fill your boats tanks. We all said this is the end of boat fishing, and it would end  the sport fishing industry.

Well that was 38 years ago and all's well, we are still fishing and we will carry on fishing.

 

[braailegend]

Kallieklip wrote:

braailegend wrote:

Tackle will sell even if no fish gets caught... because only the best tackle can catch fish

Ek glo nie dit nie want ek sien elke week hoe plaasarbeiders by my met spaanseriet en kurkprop en klein stukkie boulyn en erdwurm karp vang.

Was so met die tong in die kies gesê:fishn weet mos nou al hoe die advertensies ons try oorkoop met die nuutste blinkste

 

[Spacedog]

Interesting points you raise there MOULDIE. My sentiments exactly. I believe recreational fishing is being killed off in good ole R.S.A.
And... we anglers are just taking it on the chin.
Every year brings more restictions on sport anglers in this country whilst "quotas" get sold off by M.C.M. too those with the right "connections."
To rub salt in the wounds... M.C.M. always has the backing of marine scientists loaded with reams of jargon, 'facts' and figures about depleted resources.
Well..., we all know who pays their salaries.

I have been told I come across as a radical. But I'm not some senseless poacher. I believe in conservation. I also believe that the existing regulations are more than sufficient to conserve our marine life. IF...they are policed...properly !
S.A.'s Enviromenatal Affairs modus operandi is..., if they can't control it...they ban it. Like they want to ban legalised rhino hunting cause they are too inept with catching the poachers.
The same applies to the perlemoen.
The day I got my back up was when they announced a recreational ban on collecting pearlies. For thirty years it was a way of life for us. You bought your permit and went snorkelling every summer for a few pearlemoen for the pot. A lifestyle...we as the inhabitants of this land are entitled too.
But no,....today...over forty legal perlemoen operators ( a multi million dollar industy) now operate...exporting abalone to the far-east whilst we are told the resource is on the brink of extinction.
Ask yourself...WHY..., in New Zealand and Australia...countries with a much bigger Chinese population...the public fisherman is still able to collect pearlemoen...(they call it powa...)
I tell you why.
Because they have got a...compos mentis, educated, incorruptible, dedicated marine conservation department....not this bunch of self serving autocrats.

I've been around the marine block a few times. And I see the grab for resources. The iron fist says....China.
Us twits... must just toe the line.

Spacedog.

 

[Abaddon]

If there are guys out there like me and I am sure there are MANY - you buy tackle caus you love tackle !!!

I have bought many a lure just to have it - some of those really catch more fishermen than fish..

 

[Moyeni]

I go to the beach to look at my tackle and not women in bikini's....

 

[dynamicthings]

I agree fully with Spacedog we are selling ourself out to the Chinese.I see here where I stay in Table View how at day time they take note of how the rocks are and where there is easy access to the water.You can tell they are poachers by the way they scan the area.But I hate the bastards and have a phobia about them

 

[Enigma]

Much longer than we would like to think

Mr John Pledger has taken it upon himself and SAFTAD (SA Fishing Tackle Traders and Distributors) to organise all the vast amounts of organised anglers, tackle trade, recreational angling, angling resorts etc, etc.

The new body will be known as SACRAA and already they took the issue of fishing licenses (last years storm in a teacup) and fought it on our behalf

Organising all the role players and bodies contributing to the economy into one voice has had a huge impact as now there is money for actual economic studies, legal representation etc etc and collectively they / we are aking a difference

As to boating dying out, were you at the latest boat show?

Saw a guy come into MIAS to get 4 rods for his boat, rigged with Tiagras etc, etc and dropped R87k in one buy and then went to buy electronics for the boat

There are officially 30% more boats (\sailing) registered on the Vaal dam than on the entire RSA coast......it's been really tough but its better than we know

SACRAA or whatever they will officially be known as are already taking on issues such as the governments proposal to provide sole fishing rights of the Infanta MPA to the local population and of course the inherent dangers of such a move in terms of the Breede recreational fioshing and tourism industry never mind the wanton destruction of the now fully recovered marine area.....

 

[Joker]

Good question and some good points raised.

The fishing industry is slowly but surely dying. Listen ti the older fishermen. Their stories of big fish caught on ancient(by our standards) tackle. And that was done with "normal" bait presentation. Nothing fancy.

Catches of good sized edibles have dwindled. Yes some okes are still catching them but not as often as before.

That said, I too, love buying tackle. And I'll buy some more tackle in the future. And judging from the previous posts, the tackle industry is safe from collapse We will find other fish to target ie sharks, skates etc.

 

[Abaddon]

Enigma wrote:

Much longer than we would like to think

Mr John Pledger has taken it upon himself and SAFTAD (SA Fishing Tackle Traders and Distributors) to organise all the vast amounts of organised anglers, tackle trade, recreational angling, angling resorts etc, etc.

The new body will be known as SACRAA and already they took the issue of fishing licenses (last years storm in a teacup) and fought it on our behalf

Organising all the role players and bodies contributing to the economy into one voice has had a huge impact as now there is money for actual economic studies, legal representation etc etc and collectively they / we are aking a difference

As to boating dying out, were you at the latest boat show?

Saw a guy come into MIAS to get 4 rods for his boat, rigged with Tiagras etc, etc and dropped R87k in one buy and then went to buy electronics for the boat

There are officially 30% more boats (sailing) registered on the Vaal dam than on the entire RSA coast......it's been really tough but its better than we know

SACRAA or whatever they will officially be known as are already taking on issues such as the governments proposal to provide sole fishing rights of the Infanta MPA to the local population and of course the inherent dangers of such a move in terms of the Breede recreational fioshing and tourism industry never mind the wanton destruction of the now fully recovered marine area.....

All that said will that unified voice be loud enough to get us back on the beaches?

That there seriously damaged the industry for many guys I would think.

I personally would pay just about any amount annually - be it in permits or whatever, so long as we could have access to those magical spots we used to travel to.

 

[Psy]

Abaddon33 wrote:

If there are guys out there like me and I am sure there are MANY - you buy tackle caus you love tackle !!!

I have bought many a lure just to have it - some of those really catch more fishermen than fish..

Yip, whos the fisherman now?

 

Not you and me, its the corporates controlling the scenario, they are hooking 'fish' big time.

 

[jb2]

Spacedog wrote:

Interesting points you raise there MOULDIE. My sentiments exactly. I believe recreational fishing is being killed off in good ole R.S.A.
And... we anglers are just taking it on the chin.
Every year brings more restictions on sport anglers in this country whilst "quotas" get sold off by M.C.M. too those with the right "connections."
To rub salt in the wounds... M.C.M. always has the backing of marine scientists loaded with reams of jargon, 'facts' and figures about depleted resources.
Well..., we all know who pays their salaries.

I have been told I come across as a radical. But I'm not some senseless poacher. I believe in conservation. I also believe that the existing regulations are more than sufficient to conserve our marine life. IF...they are policed...properly !
S.A.'s Enviromenatal Affairs modus operandi is..., if they can't control it...they ban it. Like they want to ban legalised rhino hunting cause they are too inept with catching the poachers.
The same applies to the perlemoen.
The day I got my back up was when they announced a recreational ban on collecting pearlies. For thirty years it was a way of life for us. You bought your permit and went snorkelling every summer for a few pearlemoen for the pot. A lifestyle...we as the inhabitants of this land are entitled too.
But no,....today...over forty legal perlemoen operators ( a multi million dollar industy) now operate...exporting abalone to the far-east whilst we are told the resource is on the brink of extinction.
Ask yourself...WHY..., in New Zealand and Australia...countries with a much bigger Chinese population...the public fisherman is still able to collect pearlemoen...(they call it powa...)
I tell you why.
Because they have got a...compos mentis, educated, incorruptible, dedicated marine conservation department....not this bunch of self serving autocrats.

I've been around the marine block a few times. And I see the grab for resources. The iron fist says....China.
Us twits... must just toe the line.

Spacedog.

Hi Spacedog

Just a quick note. It is not really fair to think of MCM (now called "Fisheries") as one uniform organisation.

I have got to meet some incredibly passionate and effective people in the science, management, and law enforcement side of the organisation.

I have also got to meet some complete disasters.

Many scientists are also keen recreational fishers.

The allocation of quotas or fishing rights can get a bit strange. Brett Kebble's crowd ended up with about half the tuna longline sector without even having a boat.

 

[zulu-X-treme]

This is all part of your austerity. They were doing it long before they told you and it was planned a long time ago to standardize the whole world and pretend that we can compete with the Chinese, with their $4 a week program and all that kind of nonsense. It’s quite something when you see adults, adults called experts saying we have to compete with the Chinese, with a straight face, on television. It’s quite the joke, you know. They don’t even tip their waitress for that, for a week’s salary in China, believe you me. So this is what they tell you you’re supposed to do in the future. And if they really mean it, if they really were to mean it that is and not kidding about it, or scamming you, then obviously we’d be in bad, bad straits, and never mind the fact it’s impossible to compete with Chinese wages.

So we’re stuck in the crossroads here as the big boys, who’ve planned this very scenario now, who said we’d go into austerity, who said that the crash of 2008 wouldn’t hit us until about 3-5 years later, now they’re on with the next part as they downgrade the US, exactly as was planned of course. Because the US must learn to adapt into the third world status that it helped basically create across the whole planet. We’re all to go down to about third world... two and half say, a two and a half level standard, not quite third world, and share everything. That means that the same monopolies across the planet will share the loot from all the peasantry in the global plantation.

http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_892_Money_Game_is_Always_the_Same_Aug082011.html

 

[AndriesH]

Well I hope the tackle industry is piking up.
Over the next few weeks I'll be bringing some overdues up to date with Enigma with the aim of getting things on a roll again in Feb next year.
Me ->:headb<-Not me

The planning is at an advanced stage towards a co-op tackle shop in RDP under the "you know who" banner and premises should be secured by the end of next

week. The web site should be rebuilt at the same time.
Once finalised -

 

[fishalitis]

What lawmakers want lawmakers get-such is the nature of the beast. Driving on beaches being proof. I have a friend who has a fishing bus in PE. Reckons the fishing industry in serious trouble. Commercials, squid, hake and pillie are scratching the pot with huge debt. Almost at point of collapse.

Whether its climate change bring huge amounts of fresh water into the system or water temps or over fishing-who knows.

One thing is clear that our lawmakers only make a law if it directly benefits their pockets. Such is the nature of the beast in Africa. They pretty much dont care or even know about conservation. As mentioned in this thread its an impossible task to police the current laws like Perlemoen etc.

Like the driving on the beaches issues all the fisherman stood together with lawsuits etc. - was like farting against thunder

 

[Cpt. Hook]

We all know what the Chinese are doing, when will we all unite and boycott anything from them, it is the only power we have but we do not use it. Why?? Don't buy Chinese products.

 

[fishalitis]

Letter written by Thabo Mbeki's brother refers to 2020 being the year the sh%t hits the fan in SA. This is the year the Chinese reckon their industrialization phase requiring tons of SA raw materials will be completed. So SA wont have the cash to give free handouts to the poor anymore in the form of grants unless they can find some other commodity to sell to the chinese. Perle, tuna , dolphins, whales, Rhinos, great whites...