How FAST or SLOW do fish grow

CarloT

Senior Member
Hy Guys.

 I went fishing in a large farm dam this weekend in the natal midlads. The water temp was 13 to 14c. I'm a bit puzzled, I caught 2 fish that were prob around 13cm. Were these fish born lst year and grew slowly, or have these fish spawned already. I doubt the have cause the water is still too cold!

What u guys think?
 

basslover

Senior Member
man i was wondering about this yesterday too....i caught a small fish that was about the length of my hand....well a bit longer, saturday....and was also wondering when it came out...well maybe me and scrat will be able to see with his fish tank...
 

bjornh

Senior Member
i'd like to know about this aswell!!!

quite fitting it came up actually...my cousin recently came across some bass in the dam we stocked last year.they were in the shallows, swimming in small groups and pairs perhaps looking to spawn. thing is these bass were roughly 30cm each and we only stocked fingerlings of about 3cm in october last year...could these be the same bass or perhaps they were there all along??!?

could they be looking to spawn in their FIRST year??

I've always known that growth rates depend on climatic conditions and the availability of food but if they are last years stock then WOW!!

same dam i said was like little lake Mteri:) hee hee won't be long and we'll have some lunkers and its private, just up the road from vasfontein funny enough...we'll show that place what
REAL bucketmouths look like
 

BucknutZ

New member
Growth depends on food sources, size of the dam and many other factors.

I am almost sure those 30cm fish was not the same fish that you stocked a year back. That is too much growth in a years time.

PS - I wish i could have spawned in my first year!!
 

basslover

Senior Member
ive just read up a bit and it looks like a one year old bass will be the size of about 7 inches and then 10 inches in 1.5 years or 2 years old bass.so they dont grow that fast...i dont know...but like you guys say and the website...depends of their diet...
 

CarloT

Senior Member
I heard the other day that Dorado of 15kg are only 2 years old. Fastest growing fish in the ocean!
 

Fishton

Sealiner
Quite right Carlo, I read it in a book I'm reading.

".. two dorado placed in the Miami Seaquarium grew from 1.5lb to 37lb in just over seven months."
 

zucas922

Senior Member
Does anyone remember rustfontein estate . . They stocked the bottom dam with all bass around the 1kg mark , 1 and a half years later many many 4kg fish came out of there . . So figure that one out
 

Polychaete

Senior Member
Just off the top of my head:-
Dorado are of the fastest growing fish
Yellowtail grow to about 4kg in 3/4 years
Galjoen grow about 2cm per year

for what that is worth.
 

BigBass

Sealiner
For info on Bass growth rates, go here and scroll down to par. 3: http://www.bigbass.0catch.com/id8.htm



[align=justify]Optimum Florida strain Bass Growth rates example from [/align]

[align=justify]http://www.pondboss.com[/align]

[align=justify]Date of stocking: 1” – 2” fingerling[/align]

[align=justify]1 year after stocking: 15”: 2lb (!)[/align]

[align=justify]15 months after stocking: 17”: 3lb (!!)[/align]

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[align=justify]Makes you think! :wfish[/align]
 
 

bjornh

Senior Member
thanks bigBASS!

doin the conversions in my head, if i rem correctly 1' = 2.5cm? So they'd spawn in their first year??

great site (PondBass), jees didn't realise how technical it becomes to design, stock and manage a bass dam!!! It's insane!

 

be sweet if we could run a thread on managing a bass dam /farm dam under South African conditions (devoid of pesky carp and if only we could get rid of barbel).

 

Fodder fish would be limited to tilapia (redbreasted, blues, vlei and dwarf)?

 
 

BigBass

Sealiner
[color=#006600]CarloT[/color] wrote:
ok. so when were fish that are 13cm now born?
Difficult question to answer without more info - eg. exactly where is this farm dam, how big is it, how deep, what aquatic vegetation is there, what other fish are there (fodder fish base), when was it stocked with Bass, also how many Bass were stocked, what size and shape of Bass (condition) have you caught there before etc, etc?

The growth rates in my previous post were "optimal" growth rates under conditions which could be considered ideal.

Remember that not all Bass will spawn at exactly the same time. Certain Bass may spawn early (especially in smaller bodies of water (such as farm dams) which warm up sooner. Later cold snaps may then be detrimental to fingerlings which spawned early. In certain areas, Bass may be on the nests as early as July, in other areas as late as October ...

If conditions are not ideal or optimal (eg. overpopulation, no suitable fodder fish base, early warm weather inducing early spawning followed by severe cold snaps later on), you will get "runts" or stunted growth in Bass.

Fish management in smaller waters, such as farm dams, is critical (see http://www.pondboss.com). Many farm dams are not managed properly. The farmer stocks some Bass fingerlings (once), usually without first establishing a fodder fish base, and you end up with too many small Bass competing for the same food source, resulting in stunted growth (characterised by Bass with rather large heads out of proportion to lean (emaciated) bodies (and sunken stomachs). A well-fed Bass should be shaped like a rugby ball! 

Also remember that some "fodder fish" especially Blue Kurper (Mozambique Tilapia) and Redbreast Kurper/ Tilapia can, in smaller waters, pressurise and "outcompete" Bass! You need to manage the fodder fish too! Never stock Catfish (Barbel) or Carp with Bass, especially in smaller waters. Try to remove as many Catfish and Carp as possible. Yellowfish (Scalies in KZN) and Trout with Bass are OK. The smaller Trout (up to about 20 - 25cm) are excellent Bass fodder!

In a new water, it is probably best to start with minnows (ghieleminkies) - stock them first 3 - 6 months before stocking Vlei Kurper (Banded Tilapia) and Dwarf Kurper. Let them get established for 6 - 12 months BEFORE stocking Bass fingerlings. You would then be able to expect optimal growth rates from the Bass! If you want the ultimate in Bass size and are situated where Trout can survive, stock (15 - 20cm) Trout as well at least every year - they make great high protein snacks for Bass! You must manage your water and the fish populations of both Bass and the fodder fish. For more info, see: http://www.bigbass.0catch.com/id8.htm


 
 

CarloT

Senior Member
The dam is outside Dundee (central KZN). It has warm summers and cold winters, like Gauteng. The deepest part of the dam is about 8m. It is about 800m X 600m wide. 6 years ago a dam above it burst it's wall and it filled up with carp and barbel... not cool cause there are a lot of them around now.

Bass fishing has def deteriated since then with the occasional 3 - 5 kg coming out. I used to catch 3kg + bass on a regular basis but haven't in the last 3 years.

Fishing was so good at one stage, 10 years ago that we would fish from a boat at 1 of the islands and catch bass over a kg every 10 mins or so. They were also extremely agro. We filleted a 1.5kg bass for the pan and found 3 red billed quellia in it's belly. We were very confused at how they managed to catch them until we saw the bass smashing them of the reeds on the side of the island when the drank water.

We also once were trying to catch a night adder witch was swimming in the middle of the dam but it was nailed by a bass about 3m from the boat before we could catch it.

It's so sad to see an awesome dam go for a ball of $hit because carp got into it and took over!
 

BigBass

Sealiner
CarloT, all is not lost ... waters/ fisheries go through cycles and after a while things may stabilise with the Bass re-establishing themselves ...

You could help this along ... Make a feeding spot and regualrly "harvest" all the Carp and Barbel you can, using whatever methods may be the most practical (including net or rod and line). Of course, you will never be able to remove all Barbel and Carp ...

Perhaps also consider introducing Vlei Kurper (Banded Tilapia) and supplement the Bass population as well ... Before you go this route (and before certain SEALINERS jump in to comment), just make sure you do this in terms of the currently applicable laws ;) 

 

 
 
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