Holding a ray or skate upside down vs shark upside down

[grootvis]

On another forum, i was reading comments on a chap who was holding a ray upside down, and EVERYBODY was commenting that it is bad...many known anglers too.

Reason....the organs sit ontop....so if you hold it upside down you are damaging the organs?

A few pics down....one of the anglers who commented this, is posing on the beach with a shark. Where is a sharks organs?

Landing a shark on land is then damaging its organs, so does that mean you must land them upside down?

What are the comments regarding this?

 

[N1ck]

Hey, I was also taught never to flip a flat fish- i also heard a few reasons for that... anyway
for sharks, their organs sit below their muscle body, hence when you catch a big shark guys are very quickly to flip them on there side to minimize the pressure on there organs

 

[Marthin]

From what i understood u don't flip flat fish because they could have babies inside that get a fright and sting the females.... Or that's the reasons i read.

 

[grootvis]

Thanks Martin.

Im just curious as to why the conservationists would educate one facet to one species and not the other.

If a shark is brought onto land. Surely the weight will put huge amounts of stress and pressure on it. If it were carrying pups would this not be effected too?

We all know they were not designed to lay with full weight on their bellies where the all the organs are.

Not debating. Just trying to get my head around it.

 

[Marthin]

yeah neither i havent caught big flatfish yet or rather landed, the reason about stinging made sense, most sharks dont have stingers...

Best release for most species would be with some water to support... i caught a fairly decent raggie at PE, and we could have had better photos but it being between the rocks she was kept in some water so a lot of the body girth isnt visible in the snaps... from proper landed to release was probably under 3 minutes closer to 2. No expert happened to be with Kopstamp who was very quick with everything.

Then everyone saw what happened in faily shallow water with younger wareham, where a raggie turned around. But as Donovan showed recently with his 100lb dusky release between rocks on lightish line, sometimes the measurement and photo needs to take second place, and proper handling leads to a successful release by keeping the ined or ed in water.

On the same subject maybe different, with drones i see guys are now hooking raggies at 500m plus out... with the currents you now suddenly have a longer fight with a fish usually landed in 15 - 30 minutes.... then dragged up on the rocks then 7 different photos from 10 different angles... well you get my drift... Most of these things can be handled with a bit of thinking at the time.

n doubt a 200kg raggie lying full weight on round boulders can not be happy even if the snap is taken just while the swell is pulled away....

 

[flippy]

also issue with rays is where its gills are located.. dragging the animal by someone unfamiliar with what that is can cause more harm to the animal as its its breathing organ

with sharks upside down they go in a coma of sorts so not bad if you don't want to get bitten.. might only apply to water covering the entire animal

 

[Dr halibut hoffman]

I know from catching little reef sharks and gully sharks, when you flip them over they just relax and it is MUCH easier to unhook them..as soon as you right them they go mal and swim away strongly? But ja..curious as to why to not flip flat fish as I've heard this from springbok anglers before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXkzlyo77Ho&feature=youtu.be

Off topic but found this when I was googling it..