Hi there all I go to Inhambane a couple of time

Fluffy

Senior Member
Hi guys,

There's a guy in Mozambique that helps with the curropt cops and the issues they have. He is on ultimte angling,just do a search there for him,Dont know if he is on sealine. He has put his number there for any assistance should you run into trouble and wants to help the guys.
 

Bones

New member
Well, i am going to Xai Xai in 2 weeks time. Hope they not out in full force. I was checking the various routes on mapsource. Through Maputo unfortunately is the shortest and quickest. Problem is, i am also taking a puppy up for my friends. Sleeping tablets should do the trick, lol
 
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Bones wrote:
Well, i am going to Xai Xai in 2 weeks time. Hope they not out in full force. I was checking the various routes on mapsource. Through Maputo unfortunately is the shortest and quickest. Problem is, i am also taking a puppy up for my friends. Sleeping tablets should do the trick, lol
Hope you not going to give the puppy sleeping tablets? You can get a sidative med from your local vet.
 

Spicy Hot Sauce

New member
royboy wrote:
Pretty sad when the internet advice is to learn the local lingo (to avoid corrupt officials) - heavens help International visitors!!!!! or to display refective vests on dash (to avoid corrupt officials) or change number plates to Black & Whites (to avoid corrupt officials).

Only clear thing is, they are CORRUPT OFFICIALS, and if you don't like the game - don't visit Mozambique! (I wish they would actually go public with Conde Nast and tell visitors NOT TO VISIT MOZAMBIQUE if bribery offends you, because corruption is endorsed! You are expected to be Fleeced! Don't complain.....PAY!!!)

Scary thing is...that corruption doesn't stop with the "officials" who stop you at the road side - it goes all the way up through the system. I mean UP HIGH!!!!! There appears to be a "food chain" where everyone benefits. Trying to buck that system could land you in a pretty nasty prison (AK47 wins hands down)..... easier to pay the "toll fees" and arrive at your destination a few bucks poorer - at least you get there!

Factor an extra 15-20% of your fuel budget (in cash, ZAR not Mets) for the benefit of expediting your journey. In a sarcastic way, I consider this a price we pay for African redevelopment. Bummer....but that is just the way it is.

Petitions? Nah.....

I agree with the above. Been once to Moz in 2009 and swore never to return. on the last day I ended up swearing an official and give him 30 rands.

NEVER AGAIN
 

Spicy Hot Sauce

New member
FRITZABU wrote:
Spicy What did you had a problem with ? If I may ask Fritz

I kept getting stopped to search the car. and they wanted to check my cooler boxes. I would give them a coke and and get away. (i assume they wanted to find alcohol )

at the border the cop told me i needed a the reflective vest. so before i continued i went at bought from one of the insurance companies. He wanted something because i didnt have it initially.

on the last day on my way to the southern sun taking a nice cruise NOT SPEEdING the cop pulls me off and tell me i did something wrong on the road and his fellow officer called him to stop me. I asked him what i did and he said he dont know. he took my license and went to sit with his buddies waiting for the other officer. he than came and asked me for for a bribe thats where is lost it i showed him i had R80 in my wallet and he wanted it. but to get back into RSA cost about R50 so i swore him gave him R30. and took my license. (i did have money under my seat)

Everyday i would get stopped. and i Promise i did not go over the speed limit once. if the Limit was 80 i drove 70.

Moz is a lovely country but i will have more piece in the far east where they value tourist and the fishing is not too shabby (so i heard)

 
 

FRITZABU

Sealiner
Ok that all sound very normal of any African country. Including SA . There will always be a few that would try there luck for a extra income.

I visited Xai Xai every 2 months,for 8 years and was stopped so many time ,stop counting.

Only had to pay one bribe as I left the border without a third party paper (stripped my @@@@@ for the gay at the border)!! Only time I lost my cool with them and then had a problem ,just before Xai Xai, where I knew I will get a third party insurance.Was on my way to Ponta Pomene .

I have always found with many miles of travelling , Mozambique, Botswana , Malawi, Namibia and worst of them all Zimbabwe .It just not worth loosing your cool with the people !!!
 

Spicy Hot Sauce

New member
I agree, Its the african way.
I think the basic rules are
1. travel in a convoy
2. do not speed
3. be nice
4. speak anylanguage but english
 

royboy

Sealiner
There is another way.

* Book with a reputable lodge for your holiday in Moz.

Get on the plane at OR Tambo, chill, relaxed and excited at the same time - arrive at your transit point less that 2hrs later. Someone collects you at the airport (from Maputo all the way north to Pemba). Transit to the boat, go to your destination - FISH, ENJOY, have a GREAT time and then a week later go home via the same route.

No Problems! Easy! (NB - as long as it's with a * reputable lodge) 

YOU SCORE!!!!!! Corrupt Officials? Doesn't even cross your mind.......

Sure, it costs more - but hey if it all happens professionally and without frustration (the reasons you go there in the 1st place) you have a great and memorable trip, then you have benefitted!

No flushing motors, cleaning boats, filleting fish, dealing with crew..... nothing, no challenges..... you're the GUEST!!! Somebody else deals with all those things!

As I get older, I have less and less desire to do the long drive North - the same frustrations mentioned here can "taint" the trip before you even get to your destination....and upset the people you travel with. 

I will be doing ONE MORE drive into Moz this year..... and I am pretty sure it will be the last!

Fly and Forget! That is the alternative.

Ahhhh, those traffic officials won't benefit.....poor chaps!
 

FRITZABU

Sealiner
Royboy . You got the answer to the travel problem, spot on !! I just hate flying with anything smaller than a Air Bus . Then as you say your self .The cost to fly for fishing is very costly .

I always looked at the travelling, as a holiday in it self. With or without problems !!!
 

Spicy Hot Sauce

New member
There are some gr8 packages for Moz availible. or you could fly down and hire a car (with moz plates) may help.

p.s. dont forget you also need to have 2 red triangles in your car. thats another thing they wanted money for.
 

rianc

Member
The local numberplates does'nt really help if the "AVIS" sign is printed all over the vehicle. Thats a dead give away, as I have experienced it firts hand, although I was not at the coats but in Tete.
 

Francois13

Senior Member
Jake1 wrote:
Jake1 wrote:
Tell me more about the reflective jacket. Is it a specific kind or what?
????
Just the normal reflective jackets you buy Outdoor or Makro does the trick...
I have been to Mozam many times and only been pulled off once... maybe my luck :)

I also have my stickers in order, towing sticker on the front, ZA on the back and if I tow another towing sticker on the trailer...

Make a copy of your licence and laminate it... if they demand it to see your licence give them that copy. if they want to take it they can :)
 

Macbeth

New member
Something that might help, the nr for the South-African embassy. Should you get any trouble from corrrupt cops and not because it's your own fault give them a ring. They might assist. 00258843044600. And I heard from locals that there is a few new rules; do not know how real it is but its still a good thing to keep in mind: They can fine you for driving with your arm out the window.
 

Fanie

Sealiner
Some comments on visiting a foreign country. The problem is Moz is such a nice place you forget about laws and rules and that it's another country !

The only trouble makers I saw there were SOuth Africans doing really stupid things, disrespecting the people there who btw are the friendliest people I've met. Anywhere.

I put the green and red reflective jacket in the window so it's visible at all times when you're on the road.

Never speed, the bribes are a small penalty, but if you speed and you make an accident.... big big trouble (Bart Simpson)

Don't drive at night ! Full stop. Drive only during the day. No night traveling.

If you take your quad bike, please leave the figgin baffle in the exhaust. The least pleasant experience was where a couple of idiots were making so much noise you could't talk to someone it was that noisy.

Just because it's open and clean doesn't mean spinning the beach or dunes to peaces, good grief. I can see why the officials are sometimes full of ****. No really, you won't do it here so why do it there !

If you go through the border post, do not let the 'agents' help you. That is a ripoff and causes lots of problems. Just think if the one you pay to put you through customs doesn't return with your passport ! In trouble ! DIY.

Be friendly, it helps. My Portuguese friend says Portuguese ia a social language so asking how someone is is important, and probably a compliment greeting them in their language, a sign you have interest. Couple of easy words -

Ola ! (Olah) = Hello
Como esta ? (Komu esta(s)) = How are you ?
Obregado = Thank you
Sim (Siem) = yes
Nau = no

And don't forget the important ones
Peixe (Peiche) = fish
Barco = boat
Praia = beach
'Deuch ehm' = 2M = best beer there is !

List everything you take through the border that you plan to bring back out. This you can do when you pack and you hand it in when you go through the border. If you didn't list the camera they may ask you to pay export duties on it's value ok, things that go through borders are subject to import / export duties, as everywhere in the world.

Same with the case of rum, case of brandy and the twelve dozen pilseners you plan to take in. It's not coming back out, and in such quantities they may suspect you are trying to sell it duty free... hence will give you trouble. It means you are smuggeling things, evading tax, fraud.

Watch the prawn season. Geeezzz okes do stupid things. If the season for prawns is closed you don't want to be cought with a cooler box full of prawns - even though it's cheap.

Buy a fishing license. It's only R50 if the price is still the same, you need a boat permit too. Don't drive on the beaches.

If you hit a policeman you have serious troubles, trust me !

You are not allowed to photograph any official, they will lock you up ! ASK if you are unsure, same for the locals, ask them if you can take a picture of them. Many get really upset - dunno why, others love it. Accept no as no, it's not the wife that says yes when she means no ok :-D

We always tend to fill our cars with stuff... while most things is available there, one can travel much lighter if you don't take everything. You can take meat, moz has very little meat. Not many Boere there ;-)

Don't take fish, there's plenty of fish.

Take drinking water or buy drinking water in bottles there. The beer is great. Coke is expensive from small shops. Their portuguese bread are THE nicest, probably in the world. Take butter. Their rice is also nice, grown in the Xai-Xai area I believe, charcoal is plenty and cheap, take blitz or parafine or start the coals on a gas burner, gas is plentyfull and cheap.

Don't run their chickens over in the small villages. To us it's just a chicken, to them it's a lot more. My one friend actually has a list what they use all the chicken parts for, from the beak, the eyebrows, the head, the feathers, down to the toe nails - quite hilarious.

There is no crime (or very little) once you get past the southern part of Moz (influence from SA ?). As in all African countries where the people are dirt poor and only the officials make more of a living, leaving valuables lay about may be very tempting. I think the average income is ~R100 per month, so remember they think we are filthy stinking rich - a small thing to respect.

My friend's phone got stolen. Someone in another town saw the thief trying to sell the phone and called the cops. My frind was back in SA, but when he got back there they took the thief to the polics station, hit him naked stretched out with a batton over the back which wasn't pretty, confiscated his belongings untill he paid back the value of the phone, and if he was cought stealing again he gets banned out of the area - permanently. Wish it was like that here eh ! Mind you, we wont have enough battons... :-D

Take your Malaria stuff ! No firearms. Sunscreen, the summers is very HOT, even hotter North.

Celphone costs to SA is sick. (C-Cell ? is the cheaper service, vodacom is a ripoff) Local calls are cheap so you can still phone you buddies or wifey if they are there with you. Before I go again I'm considering getting a satalite phone. At least it works anywhere in the world and the flat rate cost is 1$ per minute, not near the probably R30 /min I paid previously though Vodacrime.

What did I leave out ?

Oh yeah, if you happen to pass by me here, I'll gladly pay for a dozen of those 2M beers and a half dozen of them Portuguese breads... LOL, big open mouth kiss if they're still fresh :-D
 

Francois13

Senior Member
Fanie wrote:
Some comments on visiting a foreign country. The problem is Moz is such a nice place you forget about laws and rules and that it's another country !

The only trouble makers I saw there were SOuth Africans doing really stupid things, disrespecting the people there who btw are the friendliest people I've met. Anywhere.

I put the green and red reflective jacket in the window so it's visible at all times when you're on the road.

Never speed, the bribes are a small penalty, but if you speed and you make an accident.... big big trouble (Bart Simpson)

Don't drive at night ! Full stop. Drive only during the day. No night traveling.

If you take your quad bike, please leave the figgin baffle in the exhaust. The least pleasant experience was where a couple of idiots were making so much noise you could't talk to someone it was that noisy.

Just because it's open and clean doesn't mean spinning the beach or dunes to peaces, good grief. I can see why the officials are sometimes full of ****. No really, you won't do it here so why do it there !

If you go through the border post, do not let the 'agents' help you. That is a ripoff and causes lots of problems. Just think if the one you pay to put you through customs doesn't return with your passport ! In trouble ! DIY.

Be friendly, it helps. My Portuguese friend says Portuguese ia a social language so asking how someone is is important, and probably a compliment greeting them in their language, a sign you have interest. Couple of easy words -

Ola ! (Olah) = Hello
Como esta ? (Komu esta(s)) = How are you ?
Obregado = Thank you
Sim (Siem) = yes
Nau = no

And don't forget the important ones
Peixe (Peiche) = fish
Barco = boat
Praia = beach
'Deuch ehm' = 2M = best beer there is !

List everything you take through the border that you plan to bring back out. This you can do when you pack and you hand it in when you go through the border. If you didn't list the camera they may ask you to pay export duties on it's value ok, things that go through borders are subject to import / export duties, as everywhere in the world.

Same with the case of rum, case of brandy and the twelve dozen pilseners you plan to take in. It's not coming back out, and in such quantities they may suspect you are trying to sell it duty free... hence will give you trouble. It means you are smuggeling things, evading tax, fraud.

Watch the prawn season. Geeezzz okes do stupid things. If the season for prawns is closed you don't want to be cought with a cooler box full of prawns - even though it's cheap.

Buy a fishing license. It's only R50 if the price is still the same, you need a boat permit too. Don't drive on the beaches.

If you hit a policeman you have serious troubles, trust me !

You are not allowed to photograph any official, they will lock you up ! ASK if you are unsure, same for the locals, ask them if you can take a picture of them. Many get really upset - dunno why, others love it. Accept no as no, it's not the wife that says yes when she means no ok :-D

We always tend to fill our cars with stuff... while most things is available there, one can travel much lighter if you don't take everything. You can take meat, moz has very little meat. Not many Boere there ;-)

Don't take fish, there's plenty of fish.

Take drinking water or buy drinking water in bottles there. The beer is great. Coke is expensive from small shops. Their portuguese bread are THE nicest, probably in the world. Take butter. Their rice is also nice, grown in the Xai-Xai area I believe, charcoal is plenty and cheap, take blitz or parafine or start the coals on a gas burner, gas is plentyfull and cheap.

Don't run their chickens over in the small villages. To us it's just a chicken, to them it's a lot more. My one friend actually has a list what they use all the chicken parts for, from the beak, the eyebrows, the head, the feathers, down to the toe nails - quite hilarious.

There is no crime (or very little) once you get past the southern part of Moz (influence from SA ?). As in all African countries where the people are dirt poor and only the officials make more of a living, leaving valuables lay about may be very tempting. I think the average income is ~R100 per month, so remember they think we are filthy stinking rich - a small thing to respect.

My friend's phone got stolen. Someone in another town saw the thief trying to sell the phone and called the cops. My frind was back in SA, but when he got back there they took the thief to the polics station, hit him naked stretched out with a batton over the back which wasn't pretty, confiscated his belongings untill he paid back the value of the phone, and if he was cought stealing again he gets banned out of the area - permanently. Wish it was like that here eh ! Mind you, we wont have enough battons... :-D

Take your Malaria stuff ! No firearms. Sunscreen, the summers is very HOT, even hotter North.

Celphone costs to SA is sick. (C-Cell ? is the cheaper service, vodacom is a ripoff) Local calls are cheap so you can still phone you buddies or wifey if they are there with you. Before I go again I'm considering getting a satalite phone. At least it works anywhere in the world and the flat rate cost is 1$ per minute, not near the probably R30 /min I paid previously though Vodacrime.

What did I leave out ?

Oh yeah, if you happen to pass by me here, I'll gladly pay for a dozen of those 2M beers and a half dozen of them Portuguese breads... LOL, big open mouth kiss if they're still fresh :-D
That pretty much says it all!! :)
 

Jake1

Senior Member
Recano Garcia border post. If ever you need reliable and trustworthy help at the borderpost with passports insurance money trading and standing in the row for you I can recommend Abdul.

He has hes own car there and drive with you from  SA post to Moz post and vice versa getting gate passes etc. He is realy professsional. A lot of guys that have property in Moz only use Abdul.

Abduls  telephone number is +258846807760 He is Portugeuse but speak english.
 

Francois13

Senior Member
Jake1 wrote:
Recano Garcia border post. If ever you need reliable and trustworthy help at the borderpost with passports insurance money trading and standing in the row for you I can recommend Abdul.

He has hes own car there and drive with you from  SA post to Moz post and vice versa getting gate passes etc. He is realy professsional. A lot of guys that have property in Moz only use Abdul.

Abduls  telephone number is +258846807760 He is Portugeuse but speak english.
just dont stop there and ask for "Abdul" without phoning him, haha!
because then everybody is Abdul!
 
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