Hi guys, I'm looking at purchasing a new boat whi

Hi guys,

I'm looking at purchasing a new boat which will hopefully give enough fibreglass to run to the deep, but which is easily towable. I live 65km away from the Millers and have been towing 2.7 tonnes of Acecraft round trip, which just takes the fun out of boating!

I'm looking at the 21 or the 23ft Butt Cat (probably centre console) with a pair of 70hp 4 stroke Suzuki's or 60hp yammies. Does anyone out there use this kind of combo? Can you give me feedback on how those hulls handle the conditions off the Point?  

I'm also trying to find out what the real fuel usage is on that set up if we do a 100mile round trip to the deep. If I ask the outboard agents then it seems that the motors don't require fuel.... :)

Advise would be really appreciated!

Thanks
 

trade 5

New member
Send Miles a Pm , he has exstensive knowledge of Buttcats and has owned many from what i know.

 

i think the 23ft buttcatt sportsfisher is an awesome boat and will easily take you comfortably to the deep , they dont have a huge fishing deck area , but you can fish quite comfortably on them.

 

my 2 cents
 

Johanvc

Sealiner
I know the big 4 stroke motor’s from Suzuki that we use on the bass boats are extremely light on gas. We did a comp on the Vaal River a couple of months back and we ran both days up and down at full taps and the boat was half when we took her out. The bass boat takes 70L. I think total distance we travelled for both days were like just over 60km per day. Can’t remember
 

MCD

New member
Speak to Robin at Rudamans Yamaha in Nelspruit, they have got a 21ft with two 60hp four strokes on the floor. They used the boat themselves and should know how much fuel that combination uses.
 

tkei

Sealiner
CC
I have a new 21 ft butt cat CC with 2 85 yamahas on. Sure I dont fish the cape seas, but there are enough of them that do, to tell you it rides the sea well.
If finishings are what you want, Butt cats are not for you as they are rathwer rough, but they are improving as there is a young guy there (rudi) that is trying to get things to impriove.
As for a fishing paltform, the 21 is awsome. stable, plenty fishing space rides a big and nasty sea well. Love her.
I cant comment on consumption as the 85's are way diffenbnty to the suzuki 4's and i dont do big mileage.
As said before discuss with miles.
 
Thanks very much. I spoke with Rudi this morning. He sounds very passionate about their boats. It seems like they are working on some new design concepts in that size range. You've got the 21? Is there really much of a handling difference between the 21 and the 23ft? I understand that the 23ft has a box mount on the back, adding the extra 2 feet.
 

tkei

Sealiner
The 21 and 23 are the same hull, just the mentioned addition on the back. I wanted the 23, but that meant building a new garage and buying a new trailer as it wouldnt fit my existing trailer. I dont see that it would affect the ride or anything, but I would like that little extra room on the boat. If you go for the cabin version then the 23 definately the way to go as those extra 2 feet will be good for extra deck space as they dont seem to have too much, but for tunny etc the cabin would be nice as the butts can be fairly wet at times.
 

Fin-S

Sealiner
Do any of those future plans feature a walkaround version? If so that 23' would be my ideal boat. I know it would be a small cabin, but it would only be for the kids to escape the weather. Matched to a pair of 70/90 engines, would be an awesome package.
 
Hi Fin-S,

according to Rudi they are modifying the current 28ft and the 21ft. On the 21 they are making it a little wider and the sponsons a bit deeper. They haven't built it yet so at this stage it seems that it purely at discussion stage. The ideal for down here in the Cape wouldbe a small wheelhouse/walkaround format, but I don't they have plans for that. Perhaps on a 21ft you would loose too much deck space for a wheel house.
As far as I know it's only those guys in the Strand that have an agreement with Butt to build a 23ft version, which would probably fit a small wheelhouse. I'm sure you get one custm built.
I'm thinking about a centre console with a T-Top with roll down clears, for kids to hide behind, but I've never used clears. I don't know how well they really work or if you can actually see out of them once they are a couple of months old. Being able to see is quite a nice feature!

Does anyone have clears that can give some feedback?
 

Fin-S

Sealiner
I agree about the ideal for the Cape, perfect for bottom fishing, spinning for tail, crayfishing and still large enough to go to the deep in decent weather. I am trying to design a walkaround mould at the moment and will then discuss it with Brian Hayward (the Strand guy) to get some idea about practicality / cost, however some guys have had bad experiences about him and will not touch him. Personally I have been using him for 5 years and have never had a problem. As for clears, I have them currently but do not use them. They were great for about 18 months but after that the visibility seriously decreases, no matter how much I looked after them. Unless you are going to get the proper EZ2CY ones imported, then I would rather consider a slide frame for some plexiglass.
 
Have you looked around at some of the custom builders like Cape Craft to see if they've got an existing wheelhouse mold that would work? I know Andy (Jnr) designed that new fancy 25footer aimed at the recreational market. Perhaps he did a decent looking wheelhouse for it as well, as their commercial one isn't pretty. Are you thinking about buying a Butt?
 

Fin-S

Sealiner
No I haven't as I wanted to custom build it for the hull and design seating, cut outs etc to personal spec. Yep, I am considering one - depends on what MCM are going to do with quotas. If all of their ideas are implemented I will be emigrating!
 
Great! Perhaps you can call your new wheel house design "The Refu-G" complete with small hidden compartment for passports and some US$!
If you get your wheel house design off the ground I would love to see it. I've been looking around for a compact wheelhouse that will fit a 21-24ft boat. Gemini do a really modern looking console, but they won't sell it unless it's permanently attached to one of their rubber ducks.
 

tkei

Sealiner
Guys, I was at Butt cat factory yesterday as I was passing through. I had a long chat to Rudi there.
If anyone is interested ina new 21ft, there is one they have made just to keep the guys in work. It is out of the mould, deck on, but the hatches etc are now in the moulds.
They havnt sold it yet, so if anyone is keen to get one with minimal wait, there is one available. If you contacted them now, you could get them to do a semi custom, otherwise it will be the std butt cat set up.
Use it, dont use it, but its a good oportunity to jump the queue. BTW, its plain white.
 

Skippy

New member
I went out on a Butt 21 foot to the deep. Used 115 litres for the day, trolling etc up and down to 40/10 way. Only thing I didn't like was the water kept on coming onto the back deck whenever we stopped and also the boat had no cabin and didn't protect us much from wind and sun like our Ace craft cabin. Nice being able to walk around the boat tho.
 

miles

Sealiner
Hiya

Skippy, that open transom is one of THE best safety features you can have on a butt-cat!!

Let me explain. I also started out fishing on monohulls, like most Cape anglers. Having owned Billfish's, Cape Craft's, Calibre Cabin Boat and having fished off a mulititude of different vessel, the first time i fished off a open transon butt-cat, i had the EXACT same sentiment as you!! It freaked me out that water would come onto the deck. After asking why the need for an open transom, i was told that when they surf launched this particular vessel in Durban, should you get a wave over the front, the water will simply run out of the back.

Took me a while, but i got used to the idea of an open transom, and my current boat is designed this way.

We don't surf launch here in Cape Town, so WHY would an open transom be advantages?

Let me explain with a story. A few seasons back, we had 3 Cape Crafts ALMOST sink out in the deep. Two were 28'ers and the other a 25'er. All three are commercial boats with VERY, VERY experienced skippers onboard. They were all coming home from the deep, in a particularly nasty NW'erly wind with some swell. The one boat took 2 swells over his bow and the skipper was standing WAIST DEEP in water INSIDE his cabin!! The water level was FLUSH with the top of the boat gunwhale!! Needless to say, he sent out a MAYDAY, but luckily maganed to turn the boat around and get the water to drain out. EXACTLY the same happened to the 2 other boats mentioned. Note, these are Cape Crafts, which are used by the majority of the commercial fleet and are VERY, VERY sea-worthy vessels.

What happens is that you come over a very large swell in the NW'erly, then fall into the hole behind the swell. Before you can accelerate, the next swell breaks over your bow, putting a few hundred litres of water on your deck. Your boats now a bit heavier and the VERY next swell does the same thing!! You now have over half a ton of water on your deck!! Your boats now VERY heavy, which means your scuppers are now UNDER the water. To get them to work, the boat has to keep moving!! NOW, the problems you face:

i) Your boats too heavy and could sink. This is more applicable to commercials, as we have at least 1000kg's of ice on board PLUS anything from 500kg to 2000kg of fish as well. This severely compromises ones flotation. Add another 1000kg's of water on your deck and you are seriously in danger of sinking!!

ii) Assuming your batteries don't short out and both your motors are still running, you need to clear the water off your deck. Your scuppers are underwater and will not clear the water quick enough at very slow speed. You need to turn around and run WITH the swells. NOW, this is VERY, VERY dangerous!! Should you turn and a swell catches you broadside, you WILL CAPSIZE!! If you can get the boat turned it'll still take QUITE a while for your scuppers to clear that volumes of water. Thats why MANY commercial tuna anglers with Cape Crafts have MONSTEROUS bilge pumps in their bloodbox's in the rear of the boat. Just to assist in getting water out of your boat in that scenario.

This is primarily applicable to centre console and walk-around style boats. Full cabin boats offer more protection, BUT, i have had numerous swells crash OVER my cabin, so it can still flood your boat. I've also seen widows smashed out by the NW'erly, which now also will allow water to get onto your deck.

The open transom on the butt-cat eliminates this danger. Any swell breaking over the bow will simply wash out the back. No danger of sinking or capsizing. Open transoms on butt-cat style boats is simply more boaters should be made aware of and understand WHY and how they work. This will make for safer boating!!

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tkei

Sealiner
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Boats-Jet-Skis-boats-jet-skis-Paul-Dreyer-W0QQAdIdZ102785539

Cpt Courageous. have a look at the link. its a 23 butt for sale in CT area. Looks fairly neat and has consuption with 70 suzukis etc. A lot of the answers you looking for are there.
I hope this helps.
 
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