Hi guys, Does anyone know of an individual giv

[bos suzi]

Hi guys,

Does anyone know of an individual giving surf casting lessons in pta/jhb?

I hav a new combo and is new to surf catsin with a multiplier,

I have watched alot of you tube videos but cant seems to get any distance greater than 70-80m with a 14ft rod.

Is there anyone who can point me towards a tutor or someone who can show me some ropes or give me some casting lessons,

My aim is about 150-170m .

Thank you

Keep well.

 

[Shaunpr]

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[bos suzi]

Thank you will check now.

 

[willem wikkel spies]

a lot depends on the setup you are using.
not to get technical, but a normal 14 foot rod and reel should give you about 100meters.

1. the rod, are you using the correct weight to cast with?
and are you able to load the rod with the attached sinker

2. the multiplier, is the reel set correctly "spool set"?

3. what dia line are you using? and is the reel filled to the brim?
a full spool turns slower, but releases much more line with every turn....

4. rod guides will also have a effect!

5. where are you currently practicing? it should be in water. "dam"

6, to achieve that distance is just practice, cause practise makes perfect.

if you don't come right, post here again, but I'm sure, with the lads here you should get sorted!!

 

[bos suzi]

Thank you willem

Spool is set to the right feed rate using the cast constrol knob.

Using 25lb line for practise, also had some 30lb 0.5 mm dia for practise. Also purchased some 47lb 0.5m line to put on.

Why do i need to practise on a dam or place near water ,to wet the line to reduce resistance in the guides?

It is a heavy shimano beast master, using the 7-8 oz tip,

What size lead should be nice to practise with? 6 or 8 oz

I want to be able to cast a 8oz grapnel lead for sliding livebait.

 

[Enigma]

Wet line is less prone to damage when getting an over run

Wet line is easier to feather under your thumb.

Cast flatout, watch the spool and not the sinker, it will need to be feathered from time to time, ever so light touch to bring the line fed from the spool into equilibrium with the line being pulled out by the weight.

7oz will be your best weight for practising with this setup.

You don't mention what reel you are using for the casting.

You need to have a leader to be able to cast with confidence, minimum 0.70 but preferably 0.80-1mm. I would say step up to 1mm as soon as possible as this is what you will be using to slide.

I would recommend taking baby steps and look to get 100m easily then 120m and if you do manage the 140m then upgrade your tackle.

It takes years of training and practising to get the 140m+ on sliding tackle.

 

[bos suzi]

Thank you.

Currently have a saltist 50h, the silver one, managed to get about 104 man steps of distance so thats about 95m estamated. And that was with a 4 oz sinker.I used somw lighter sinkers to practise my swing because it it a little easier to control while i am still a rookie, and was thinking to increase the weight of the sinker eventually as i progresses.

 

[willem wikkel spies]

a heavier sinker has much more weight to it, so when you feathering the spool, you not stopping it.

a heavier sinker has much more energy then the 4 oz.

that's already a good cast with a 4 ounce.

the other thing about water, when retrieving the sinker, then line is at a constant pressure onto the spool, a rugby field will have the sinker jumping and the line lay is tight then loose etc.

 

[bos suzi]

Thank you that makes alot of sense,

Thank you for all the help, i know its nothing that can happen overnight and it takes alot of efford , i just want to practise the correct way.

 

[Enigma]

If I wasn't out with broken leg and ankle till September I can't help.

This you will however I am sure, find useful.

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=16367&forum_id=73

 

[Moyeni]

Just what Enigma and Willem have posted to you Bos Suzi I couldn't have said it better.

Setup:rod,reel,line,sinker weight and swing and you will have your 140m cast.

NB: my 1st cast at the beach is always a small cast just wet the line as to bond the line together and loosen the joints in my arms then I let it rip.

Practise makes PERFECT and when it is PERFECT keep on practising.

 

[willem wikkel spies]

Enigma wrote:

If I wasn't out with broken leg and ankle till September I can't help.

This you will however I am sure, find useful.

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=16367&forum_id=73

ja hoe n mens so kan val en n enkel breek sal net jy weet!!


now youre screwed and the fish is biting!!


yip, wetting the line with a cast or two works.
if I need to send a sinker to the horizon, I make use of 3 casts, the last being the final one, the others to wet the line and getting all joints wet and oiled!

 

[COBIA777]

Hi Bos

Heres my 2c on the casting practice.

Firstly check reel settings and that leader line in in good condition to ake the impact/ shock of the casting procedure.

Check that your spool is not over loaded. Check that your leader knot is in the correct position on the spool. It is vey eina when that knot wacks your thumb.

Make sure you are always in a comfortable stance.

Your shoulders are used as a direction indicator when casting. In other words shoulders are in the general direction of your cast.

When practicing try to keep an eye on both the spool at the sinker, split second intervals. Overwinds are generally caused by, not winding line on spool correctly, an over filled spool, incorrect sinker weight vs rod use, jerk motion casting......etc

The conditions can sometimes play a role.

Dont go for distance at first. Get the motions in place. An over the shoulder throw is litterally a one action movement.

Keep an eye on that sinker. When it starts dropping keep an eye on the spool. When the sinker drops the line starts flaring on the reel because the spool it turning at a very fast rpm. A very slight touch on the side of the spool will adjust the diff of spool and sinker speed, lowering the risk of an overwind.

Each and everyone of us has a different aproach to casting. Some of us can cast a 6oz sinker further than an 8oz sinker. Casting is a very technical part of our sport.

 

[OTGman]

bos suzi wrote:

Hi guys,

Does anyone know of an individual giving surf casting lessons in pta/jhb?

I hav a new combo and is new to surf catsin with a multiplier,

I have watched alot of you tube videos but cant seems to get any distance greater than 70-80m with a 14ft rod.

Is there anyone who can point me towards a tutor or someone who can show me some ropes or give me some casting lessons,

My aim is about 150-170m .

Thank you

Keep well.

Set a sinker drop, half rod length.
Place the sinker underneath your rod with the line taut on the ground.
Rest the rod tip on the floor.

Now hold the butt of the rod with your left hand and raise it above your head in a position your shoulder is comfortable. Totally straight.
Hold the rod with your right hand where ever it feels most comfortable.
Lean back to your back leg to drag the sinker until you arrive at javelin throwing position. Lift the tip 1cm away from ground.
Look 45 deg to the sky above the target.
Push gently - pull very hard. 150m done.

If the rod is too stiff, lengthen the drop. Try it on a casting field or court if you think this method cannot outcast the half pendulum.

Remember to keep your feet planted. You do not want to follow the rod into the sea when fishing.

 

[bos suzi]

Cobia,

I think with the larger leads i let go the wrong time,

With a 4 oz, i can stand comfontable throw easy with confidence, i can hear the reel screem as it picks speed up, as soon as the lead start falling then i brake the spool, but with the larger leads its really hard , i get snapoff and "kraainesse" all the time, and yes did something horrible with my thumb , that leaderknot is razor sharp,

With the larger leads i let go too late and it lands very close and i need to brake it to avoid overwinds, or i let go too early and see huge amout of line goining into the wind. I dont know if it has to do with the greater force my thumb has to exert to keep the open spool from rolling due to the larger wait?

As it is now i dont swing the lead at all, i first wana sort out body movement and then will add a small swimg like in the south african cast for extra tip loading.

Thanks for all the inputs guys , cant thank everyone enough, two lads saw me on the beach practising and try to show me how to do it, but they throw just a direct overhead cast, great accuracy but no body movement and not alot of distance.

The main reason for larger weights is to provide a good anchor for sliding.

I got a clip i can upload if it will help.

 

[bos suzi]

OTGman wrote:

bos suzi wrote:

Hi guys,

Does anyone know of an individual giving surf casting lessons in pta/jhb?

I hav a new combo and is new to surf catsin with a multiplier,

I have watched alot of you tube videos but cant seems to get any distance greater than 70-80m with a 14ft rod.

Is there anyone who can point me towards a tutor or someone who can show me some ropes or give me some casting lessons,

My aim is about 150-170m .

Thank you

Keep well.

Set a sinker drop, half rod length.
Place the sinker underneath your rod with the line taut on the ground.
Rest the rod tip on the floor.

Now hold the butt of the rod with your left hand and raise it above your head in a position your shoulder is comfortable. Totally straight.
Hold the rod with your right hand where ever it feels most comfortable.
Lean back to your back leg to drag the sinker until you arrive at javelin throwing position. Lift the tip 1cm away from ground.
Look 45 deg to the sky above the target.
Push gently - pull very hard. 150m done.

If the rod is too stiff, lengthen the drop. Try it on a casting field or court if you think this method cannot outcast the half pendulum.

Remember to keep your feet planted. You do not want to follow the rod into the sea when fishing.

Thank you will try it with a small sinker.
I am very afraid doing a high compression off the ground cast with the lead lying beneath the rod with that kind of weight like 7oz, i am very afraid that it might brake my tip of my rod,

 

[Enigma]

Your rod will easily handle those weights especially if you say you are only casting 100m and less.

What leader are you using, if you are casting your weight off?

 

[OTGman]

Hi,
Do not be afraid. The method will work if you start slow to allow the sinker to go out. If you treat it as shotput naturally you will fear. Both the Japanese as well as UK instructors teach it. It is called Brighton cast.


There is even competition on this style of cast only. This is 1 of the better guys in Japan doing 180-190m on it. A good proof of how popular it is. Do not hop or jump, since you are not attempting any form of casting tournament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zk3QAAETNw

The cast can also be aerialise. But it is too early for me to describe it to you without you attempting and understanding.

 

[bos suzi]

Hi guys,

Sorry for opening this thread again,

Can some of the hard beard surf casters give me some insight.

I made a casting video of myself, and would love to get so pointers from my fellow sealine members.
It measured 119m on the gps,

My setup:

Shimano beastmaster surf pro heavy action, 7-8oz tip.
6 oz sinker.
0.9mm leader.
0.45mm mainline.
Daiwa saltist 50h,


Thank you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq65suv0bVQ

 

[OTGman]

That is a very good cast, because the entire rod is bending smoothly. More fishing around this cast will make your movement even more fluid and start to go beyond 150m. You've gotten 120m without chasing the rod or thrashing hard. This is a very good fundamental cast to build your aerialised cast on. To make the cast much easier, avoid pulling the rod with your hand at the start. Keep the rod tip close to the ground as much as you could. If the arc is too big for you to manage, cast with the rod tip at 7-8oclock position. What you want to do is to make it even more effortless and focus on final hit. Steps to doing it is: 1) Take the step without moving upper body much 2) Look at target in sky 3) Rotate the upper body with hips to face front 4)Finish with hands, punch hard n pull with left


In short- Leg step, Head moves, body moves, arms moves. Making all of them move together will give you compression at start, but lose steam towards the end because you have exhausted all your muscles.

One of my favourite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmB0KeeuMMs