Help with Sliding

[bassing africa]

Hi guys

I'm new to sliding baits and would like to know how to slide baits aswell as how to set the hook to avoid being burned off. Any help with this problem, i know alot of new guys have this problem.

 

[tkei]

I am no expert myself but will add a question if I may. I slid a few baits this weekend int he kei (only one hookup and was reefed after about 30 sec). My question relates to the ESA bought slides. I used one I had made up myself and had no problem. my brother used an esa slide, and it just would not sluide doen the trace. I tried, he tried numerous times, no luck. it would run to just before the water and stick. It was an unweighted slide clip, would this have had an effect? His rod was a bit soft, would this have caused it. I was using my light tip on BM g3/ 4-6 and it was fine, but his was the old version of the g3- 4-6 (about 8yrs old).
How long must the sinker sit in the sand before you start sliding, as on previous tries, my sinker always broke free. annoying when you been shaking for a few min and then breaks free.
Thanks

 

[Simen]

Use the search function- most of your answers will be there. If you dont get them all post again-It was discussed in depth a while ago.
Tight lines.

 

[Reefman]

tkei wrote:

I am no expert myself but will add a question if I may. I slid a few baits this weekend int he kei (only one hookup and was reefed after about 30 sec). My question relates to the ESA bought slides. I used one I had made up myself and had no problem. my brother used an esa slide, and it just would not sluide doen the trace. I tried, he tried numerous times, no luck. it would run to just before the water and stick. It was an unweighted slide clip, would this have had an effect? His rod was a bit soft, would this have caused it. I was using my light tip on BM g3/ 4-6 and it was fine, but his was the old version of the g3- 4-6 (about 8yrs old).
How long must the sinker sit in the sand before you start sliding, as on previous tries, my sinker always broke free. annoying when you been shaking for a few min and then breaks free.
Thanks

Tkei... it's been done before - to slide with a 6oz sinker, but you've really got to know what you're doing... it's really not the "recommended" way of doing things. A rod rated 4-6 oz is not going to stand up to the punishment of a 50kg+ inedible? You're taking a pop gun to a gunfight here.

A soft tip rod will certainly prevent one from getting the slide out. The principle behind a slide being that their is an extremely tight connection from the sinker to the rod tip, on which the slide will simply 'slip' down. A soft tip rod will definitely casue slack in the line and the slide won't progress further.

The problem of your sinker breaking free is because it's not heavy enough (I'm assuming you are using a 6oz and that you are using Wire grapnels?) A heavier sinker 8-10oz will sit vas after 5 minutes. But then you're not going to be able to cast an 8oz with a 6oz rod, right? The sinker should be sitting so tight that it's actually quite difficult to dislodge it - then you know you're ready to slide. Sometimes, the sinker is so tight, that it will actually break off before giving way...

The unweighted slide clips nowdays are generally only used for a live bait. The weighted ones will certainly slide much more easily...

Recommendations: Up your tackle from light to Medium/medium heavy. As I said in the beginning, it would be practically impossible for someone trying this for the fisrt time to slide with a 4-6oz rod, using 6oz sinkers...

The other possibility might be that your mate put the slide on back to front.... if thats the case, t ain't going nowhere!

Hope this helps.

 

[pietblok]

being burned of,dus niks ek het die eerste keer toe ek probeer slide het,sonder enige kennis by kleinmond(naby herolds baai)die ding verkeerd om gedoen,toe die slide die water bereik van die rots af en ek my stok skud toe kom die aas terug tot by my stok se tip,gelukig was daar niemand nie,ek sou my K@k gelag het as ek dit moes sien gebeur het met iemand

 

[1309sg]

pietblok wrote:

being burned of,dus niks ek het die eerste keer toe ek probeer slide het,sonder enige kennis by kleinmond(naby herolds baai)die ding verkeerd om gedoen,toe die slide die water bereik van die rots af en ek my stok skud toe kom die aas terug tot by my stok se tip,gelukig was daar niemand nie,ek sou my K@k gelag het as ek dit moes sien gebeur het met iemand

Pieta my maat, jy hoef GLADNIE alleen te voel nie!!!!!!!!! My eerste slide het met die tweede skud amper my aandete geraak!!!:imnew

 

[tkei]

Reefman,
Thanks, With the sinker pulling loose, it was a 7 oz wire grapnel. My rod with heavy tuip actually throws an 8oz quite well (well if 20m is a good cast. LOL) i am fairly lucky where i usually fish in the transkei that its a firly high point and quite deep. I must stress, though, on the whole, i see sharks as vermin. I am a depsea fisherman and fish are food. Just at times the edibles are not playinjg the game, hence the want to paly around.
When my boet was trying to slide he was actually using a large mullet (live) but the tip was very soft and there was slack in the line, so that explains it. he will have to bring out his other rod i guess.
I actually got my live mullet out quite well witha 7oz on the BM light tip. took a while but didnt get burnt off when i got smoked so must have reached the stopper. I will give it a try next time they way you say it should be done. if i want to catch really big fish, I use the tiagra off the boat.
hahaha

 

[Torpedo Jack]

Bassing, check out this excellent post!

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=21947&forum_id=1

Hope it helps you...

Mike

 

[white pointer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bc-Cv9C-E8&feature=fvst

Hey guys

here is a link of how the aussies tag and release sharks in australia and how they "slide" for them

 

[action man]

yea Trophy posted the same video few months back...aussies are crazy

 

[Chuck Norris]

Reefman wrote:

tkei wrote:

I am no expert myself but will add a question if I may. I slid a few baits this weekend int he kei (only one hookup and was reefed after about 30 sec). My question relates to the ESA bought slides. I used one I had made up myself and had no problem. my brother used an esa slide, and it just would not sluide doen the trace. I tried, he tried numerous times, no luck. it would run to just before the water and stick. It was an unweighted slide clip, would this have had an effect? His rod was a bit soft, would this have caused it. I was using my light tip on BM g3/ 4-6 and it was fine, but his was the old version of the g3- 4-6 (about 8yrs old).
How long must the sinker sit in the sand before you start sliding, as on previous tries, my sinker always broke free. annoying when you been shaking for a few min and then breaks free.
Thanks

Tkei... it's been done before - to slide with a 6oz sinker, but you've really got to know what you're doing... it's really not the "recommended" way of doing things. A rod rated 4-6 oz is not going to stand up to the punishment of a 50kg+ inedible? You're taking a pop gun to a gunfight here.

A soft tip rod will certainly prevent one from getting the slide out. The principle behind a slide being that their is an extremely tight connection from the sinker to the rod tip, on which the slide will simply 'slip' down. A soft tip rod will definitely casue slack in the line and the slide won't progress further.

The problem of your sinker breaking free is because it's not heavy enough (I'm assuming you are using a 6oz and that you are using Wire grapnels?) A heavier sinker 8-10oz will sit vas after 5 minutes. But then you're not going to be able to cast an 8oz with a 6oz rod, right? The sinker should be sitting so tight that it's actually quite difficult to dislodge it - then you know you're ready to slide. Sometimes, the sinker is so tight, that it will actually break off before giving way...

The unweighted slide clips nowdays are generally only used for a live bait. The weighted ones will certainly slide much more easily...

Recommendations: Up your tackle from light to Medium/medium heavy. As I said in the beginning, it would be practically impossible for someone trying this for the fisrt time to slide with a 4-6oz rod, using 6oz sinkers...

The other possibility might be that your mate put the slide on back to front.... if thats the case, t ain't going nowhere!

Hope this helps.

It depend on the where you're fishing as well. I've been sliding live Shad, Blacktail and Karenteen with 4 ounce grapnels with no problem. You just got to bend the wire a bit to get better grip and I guess it will not work at all the spots and of the beach. But you can definitely slide live baits with as small as 4ounce (I even caught a Leerie with a Blacktail on 3 ounce slide!!!). 

 

[action man]

to slide with such light sinkers you have to know what you are doing...it also depends on the surf and the current in the water...in the transkei most places you slide from are quite deep therefore you would need a heavier sinker to hold so you can slide your bait cause there would be more of a current!

 

[ody]

try and get hold of the dvd by angling with blackfin called the non return slide.

 

[Def-e-nition]

Can someone Shed some Light On slide Trace Lenghts ,sliding from the beach ??
My sliding seems to have diminished to something akin to a beached whale flailing around on the beach .....
I Have Been told to Shorten the slide , to around half of what I Normally make , to assist the rod action In Getting the Bait out through the Breakers .
truth ?

 

[Mussle Cracker]

WE had a problem with our sinkers no setting at transki...what we did was bend the wire 90 deg with a 45 deg inward bend only at the tip of the wire..it worked like a bomb....the biggest problem is the height that you are on the rocks so if your wire is normal the sinker wont set...

 

[Richard Ohagan]

MC hit the nail on the head, the more you open the wires on the grapnel the better it sits. You can also try using a sinker with a long boom, that also makes the sinker bite harder.

 

[cape_stumpnose]

hey guys
something i learnt from coupla guys here in the cape. with a light grapnel, put a cable tie around the wires on the sinker , just above the plastic "bearins" on the sinkers. works like a bomb! been sliding in the surf with 5 and 6oz sinkers with ease using this method. and when you retrieve your sinker back in, most of the time the cable tie will just slip off, so no prob with the wires popping when you want them to.
hope it works for you.

 

[Kumz]

Def-e-nition wrote:

Can someone Shed some Light On slide Trace Lenghts ,sliding from the beach ??
My sliding seems to have diminished to something akin to a beached whale flailing around on the beach .....
I Have Been told to Shorten the slide , to around half of what I Normally make , to assist the rod action In Getting the Bait out through the Breakers .
truth ?

Hey Buddy !!!

 

I am no expert but i see you got a bit of the idea , or it is what i believe in !!!

 

Personally where there are many banks etc ,  I make my slide Shorter cos it is easier for teh Trace to get over the banks & if i slide From teh Bricks or a higher point i go longer on my trace .

 

Hope thsi helps .

 

Cheers