help on the vaal

bass54

New member
hi everyone!

im fairly new to the flyfooshing scene :imnew and would lyk to ask for any help, tips, techniques, flies, places and secrets to catching yellowfish on the vall river.

ive landed 2 yelllows so far in 3 trips to the river 1 below the vaal dam wall and another on a friends farm a few kms downstream, but i have missed quiet a few from not knowing they were on to not setting the hook properly. what im i doing wrong or not doing?

please help^^..
 

bastion

Senior Member
Hi Bass45,

could you let me know what rig you are using for fishing the vaal? I don't mean what rod, reel and line, but rather do you fish with a strike indicator and some nymphs under it, or do you fish one of the short line techniques, ie just nymphs and no strike indicator? The Short line techniques are known as Czech Nymphing or similar things.

These are the two most commonly used techniques for fishing for smallmouth yellowfish and both have advantages.

My own personal preference is to not fish without a strike indicator and use a heavy fly as one of your flies. This is known as the control fly as you use it to control the drift of all three of your flies. Usually casts with this style are very short, eg a rod length or even less (but long casts can be effective when you get the hang of it). Smallmouth yellowfish are not always easily spooked so you can get quite close to them without them swimming off. I have often turned around to see a fish sitting in the eddy that i was creating with my legs.

The short line technique is simple. The flies are "plopped" upstream and then you follow them downstream with your rod, always keeping in contact with your flies. You will be able to detect takes a lot easier in this manner as you will see the line straighten or even feel the takes. Then you just lift the rod and you will be in on the fish. A big advantage of this style is that you can easily adjust the depth that your flies are fished because there is no strike indicator that will stop them from reaching the bottom (which is where the yellows usually feed). Once you get confident with this you can start to impart movement to the flies while they drift, eg jigging them up and down a tiny bit, or shaking the rod slightly while they drift etc.

I have not used the strike indicator technique much as i feel that you are not nearly in as much control and for a beginner you will miss a lot of the subtle takes where the indicator hardly moves. If you are using this method you may also be missing fish by fishing too far away from yourself. The more line you have between you and the fish, the more things there are to go wrong, like loss of tension and currents pulling your line in unnatural ways (we call this drag) which causes the flies to move unnaturally.
The advantage is that you do not need to have constant contact with the flies and you can cast to fish that are further away. If fish are not feeding on the bottom (which is not the norm but happens) then a strike indicator can keep your flies at the correct depth a lot easier than when short lining.

Yellowfish have quite soft mouths so it is better not to strike too hard. You only really have to lift into them and you should be vas enough. If the fish runs off let him go - if you try stop him he will come off. Once he has slowed down a bit you can apply a bit more pressure to get him back to you.

When selecting flies, i would not be without a hotspot nymph like the hotspot pheasant tail nymph or any other brownish coulored nymph with a bit of orange as a hot spot. Yellowfish seem to love a bit of orange, and recently i noticed that pink is a good colour too, but only in small amounts on the fly with the rest being natural colours. Buy some heavy flies too that will you can use as your control fly to get them down quickly. A good fly to use for this is the Mustard Caddis.

Hope this helps - just keep trying and you will crack it eventually. The vaal is one of my favourite places to fish and i wish i could get up there to fish it more. To me the Smallmouth yellowfish is one of the most awesome freshwater fish we have to target here in south africa. A true Proudly South African Icon!

Cheers
Grant.
 

bass54

New member
hey bastion.

wow thank u soooooooooo::rmmuch. iv been waiting 4ever 4 sum help, and this is fantastic stuff.

i fish with a strike indicator and 2 flies underneath normally a copper jhon and then another nymph after that. 

i must say i get stuck quiet a bit but i also use a split above my top flie 2 get them down in the deeper water.

you hav answeard alot of my other questions that were running thru my mind and have helpd me big tym thank u soooooo much, i cant wait 2 get out there again but the weather is not being 2 friendly.

i must agree on the fight the 2 that i have caught have been awsome and i cant wait 2 bcome better and catch more than 1 in a day. lol

thanx again
 

Ryan

Sealiner
Grant manna for you bro excellent post.

Bass54 czech nyphing is the deadliest for yellows but is often not percieved as true flyfishing as such - I know I got a heavy lecture on the river a couple weeks ago about czech nyphing destroys nesting beds of yellows (even though the spawning season is long over).

My three fly selection would be.

Hot head brassy (orange head copper wire body)
Mustard Caddis
Hotspot/hotshot (small) - what ever people call it

Flashguns etc also can be very effective given the opportunity - thing is play around till you find what is working on that particular day.

If possible try and go with someone who knows what they are doing you will learn more in 10 mins thatn what you will in a weeks worth of reading
 

bastion

Senior Member
Yeah if you can go with someone else you will pick it up quickly.

Bass54 - just remember that you don't have to cast far even with the strike indicator. You will get more solid hookups by casting shorter and your line won't get caught on the hyacinth as it floats down the river.

A copper john is always a good choice - just experiment with colours - Orange and pink like i mentioned and then chartreuse too.

Splitshot is fine to get your flies down too.

here's one tip - fish areas where there are willows hanging over the water. SM Yellows love hanging out under them. Cast sideways ahead of the willows and let the flies drift under it and swing out the bottom. In this case it is best to have contact with the flies as you cant always see the indicator under the willows so casting sideways will keep tension on the line while it is under the trees. For some reason the fish under these willows always smack you silly when they take the fly, and then you have to try and wrench him out of there as fast as possible to avoid being snapped off. If you do this i would use quite heavy line, around about 2x or possibly 3x.
Give it a bash - it's a really exciting way to catch them SMs as long as you are prepared to lose a fly from time to time.
 

Ryan

Sealiner
Admittedly I fish very heavy for them 12-15lb tippet.
I agree with Grant here 90% of yellows are caught under the rod tip........
 

bass54

New member
hey guys id just like 2 thank u all 4 ur help i hav been going out as much as possible and trying all of wat i hav learnt from u and any other poor bugger dat said he knows how 2 catch y/fish on fly.

hear r some pics of fish that i hav caught in the last 2 trips (16th march and 5th april). they came at a bit of a price(flies mor flies and alot of petrol) but well worth it.::S

thanx agian 4 the help:wfish
 

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bass54

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one last pic got a few smaller ones inbetween and lost a gud few
 

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bastion

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Glad you're getting it Bass54! The illness you have is known as yellowfever and i don't believe there is a cure for it.

I am pretty jealous as I have not been on the vaal since october last year. Having huge withdrawal symptoms!

Here's a goodie from that trip:
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bass54

New member
hehehe i dont mind that illness at all and dont want 2 b cured either.

thats a nice fish, if i may ask were on the vaal is that? the water looks alot cleaner there compared 2 were i fish.
 

bastion

Senior Member
This was at a venue called Vaal Hackle. It is downstream of Parys but upstream of Schoemansdrif.

They do not allow day visitors so if you're thinking of a weekend away then this would be a good spot to try. You can hire out one of their cottages which is a 1 minute walk from the river, and it is a very nice stretch with a huge diversity of types of water that can be fished.

I think the water clarity just depends on the flows and the time of year that you fish.

What venues do you usually fish?
 

bass54

New member
awsome thank u. do they have a website?

oh ok that makes sence. :doh

i normaly fish on a friends farm a few km's downstream of denysville, bit further downstream of the prison. very nice 2 fish there as it is virtually private waters.

but the water visability is never more than about 30cm deep, but doesent always matter coz wen the river is at normal flow u just have 2 look 4 tails sticking out in the shallow rapids::H
 

bastion

Senior Member
I am not sure if Vaal Hackle have a website, but try google it. That place you fish sounds pretty cool though, especially since it's private.

Just a note on the fish in shallow water - if you see them splashing about in the shallow water, then try and avoid those areas because the fish are spawning when they do that.

We try and stay away from those areas when they are spawning to make sure that we don't crush the fertilised eggs when we walk through those areas - basically trying to keep the fish breeding so our fishing stays good.

Some venues are actually very good and they will put chevron tape around the areas where they have seen the fish spawning so that the fish are left in peace to do their thing and the eggs can hatch without being bothered.

It's just something to watch out for when you're on the water - you will usually see a lot of fish close together when this happens. 
 

bass54

New member
kewl will do that.

yes it is very nice and practically untouchd which makes for good fishing.

WOW i didnt know that!! i will definantly b alot more careful wen i see that again. i thought that they were just laying behind the rocks and stuff waiting for food, but just in shallow rapids.

Are their certain times of the year that they spawn? or is it all year around?

thanx again for ur help:thankie
 

bastion

Senior Member
Cool man!

I think the spawning habits of the yellows is something ignored by so many of the vaal fishermen. The fish are easy targets and it is so sad to see some guys fishing for them. I think it is all our responsibility to educate all fishermen on the importance of leaving the spawning fish alone. I think we as fly fishers are probably causing the most damage as we are wading around a lot, so it is important that we tell as many fly fishermen as possible what to look out for. Often guys will mention it on the water to those anglers that are targeting the spawners. Sometimes they shout at them which is uncalled for, but the guys who know what areas to avoid are quite passionate about protecting the fish so it's understandable.

I am not 100% on their spawning times, but i have been told that they will spawn a couple of times in spring or early summer, so the fish you are catching now are probably not spawning.

When the temp in the vaal gets up to about 16 after winter, the yellows start moving out of the pools and into the rapids and they will mostly stay there while the temps stay up. They will beging to spawn some time after that in spring. There might be some late spawning now in autumn, but i have never heard of it.

You will know it when you see it as you will see a couple of fish splashing about in these shallow areas. If they are just sitting there calmly in the shallow water then i reckon they are just feeding and you are probably safe to target them. Males that have spawned will have what looks like a serious case of acne, with small pimples all over their body, and fish that have been spawning often have open red wounds from the spawning process in the shallow water.
 

bass54

New member
wow u r like a book of knowledge.:addn

thanks for telling me everything, i will definantly always be looking for these things and i will do my best 2 educate as many people as i can so that we can all enjoy fishing in the future.

 
 

Kona

New member
Hey some nice fish.What I like to do on the vaal is use a heavy fly to get it down in the current and then add a plain blood worm on the back with no weight, this way I am targeting yellows and muddies. I have landed several good muddies this way. I always use a stike indicator when fishing this way. Tight lines
 
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