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[Noweeds]

Guys just remember one thing (and this coming from a borderline greeny)......

We participate in a blood sport...anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool. It's a bloodsport and there are losses along the way. The minute you chuck very sharp pointy things into the ocean designed to hook a animal in the mouth.....you must accept the fact that there are going to be losses along the way.

We can all do everything we can to minimise these losses but losses there will be.....it's easy to get emotional about a fish found with a hook in it, what about whales hit by boats, seals that eat snoek spinners and maybe some high velocity lead....the seagulls that eat your baited hooks after they float to the surface after a snap off.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care.....i'm just saying we must take everything into perpspective. If we want to have zero impact then lets all sell our tackle and sit on the shore singing kumbaya. But as long as you are throwing a baited hook into the ocean you are participating in a blood sport and there WILL be collateral damage!!

 

[Mombakkie]

While we all huddled up there singing Kumbaya ........ any objections to me having one last cast ??

 

[shuraj]

@mouldie , You are 1 hundred percent correct .

 

Could'nt have said it better myself Noweeds

 

[Mouldz]

I hear what you saying Noweeds but there is a element in government that is ready to pounce on the recreational angler and blame him for everything because they are too scared or too lazy to address the real issues of poaching and gillnetting etc ,I just hope this video does not add fuel to the fire

 

[shuraj]

@ mouldie , For them to put a ban on shark fishing , will take much more than one isolated incident , if hundreds of fish are being affected than they will do further invetigation in to the alligations and reports.

This will also have a major impact on the funds that they collect through fishing permits , so all of these factors are taken into consideration before a decision is made.

 

 

 

 

[Marthin]

Don't be so sure my friend. I can forward you the mails where myself, jb2(yip that skelm that always defends the treknetters) and cary took on an orginisation that planned to petition and do exactly that. In the end they understood there were bigger threats to sharks, but rest assured they won't be the last!

 

[Psy]

morbus wrote:

psy wrote:

shark are cold blooded animals!! feels nothing?

correct or not?

not

Thermoregulation
Most sharks are "cold-blooded", or more precisely poikilothermic, meaning that their internal body temperature matches that of their ambient environment. Members of the family Lamnidae, such as the shortfin mako shark and the great white shark, are homeothermic and maintain a higher body temperature than the surrounding water. In these sharks, a strip of aerobic red muscle located near the center of the body generates the heat, which the body retains via a countercurrent exchange mechanism by a system of blood vessels called the rete mirabile ("miraculous net"). The common thresher shark has a similar mechanism for maintaining an elevated body temperature, which is thought to have evolved independently[not in citation given][/suP].[21][/suP]

 

[Trophy]

Hiya Guys,

Many views expressed here and all this from a clip from my back yard?

More amazing is how this moved into a call from some members to ban slide fishing? A while back we all viewed footage of a Raggie from OZ which had a gaff jammed deeply in the sharks mouth...should we then by the same token ban gaffs outright?

Some valid points spoke to 'recreational' anglers causing the damage due to the wrong tackle used. Then another post talks of 30+ burn-off accounted for a single team during the recent nationals?

Another reminds us that fishing is a blood sport and that every baited hook has the potential to cause damage. Then rightly another reminds us that the sheer amount of nylon we leave behind is by far the greater problem.

To all those that recon that a ban on slides is the answer...come on chaps that has to be the most naive thought you had all week. If you took a second to think about the many bad points associated to fishing you would realise that EVERY aspect of fishing does damage.

Had the clip shown a bite trace or metal jacket trace would we call for a ban on this type of fishing as well?

Personally I loose more slides due to getting stuck than burn-offs. I'm certain that these rigs, should the bait remain long enough, are picked up by sharks and could result in the same possible situation as seen in the clip. By the same token this would happen to any rig lost to King Neptune.

In my humble opinion most of the negative comment relating to slide fishing comes from competitive angling where this method can level the playing fields to a degree on the day, but over an entire season the consistent and better anglers should always stand out.

Finally...seeing 100 clips like that would not upset me as much as seeing the 2 ton of shark flake which is processed daily from one factory in the PE harbour. then extrapolate that to every processing factory in South Africa!

Lets keep some perspective folks?

 

[morbus]

psy wrote:

morbus wrote:

psy wrote:

shark are cold blooded animals!! feels nothing?

correct or not?

not

Thermoregulation
Most sharks are "cold-blooded", or more precisely poikilothermic, meaning that their internal body temperature matches that of their ambient environment. Members of the family Lamnidae, such as the shortfin mako shark and the great white shark, are homeothermic and maintain a higher body temperature than the surrounding water. In these sharks, a strip of aerobic red muscle located near the center of the body generates the heat, which the body retains via a countercurrent exchange mechanism by a system of blood vessels called the rete mirabile ("miraculous net"). The common thresher shark has a similar mechanism for maintaining an elevated body temperature, which is thought to have evolved independently[not in citation given][/suP].[21][/suP]

The no was to them feeling nothing
they can feel . . .

I know about the heated blood and stuff
Tuna and many big pelagic fish have it -

 

[cracker jack.]

i feel that loosing a fish on a throw bait is worse then a slide!!!! reason = if you hook a fish on a throw bait and its cuts you off on your main line the fish will swim around with meters of line,a leader and a trace with a sinker attatched to its mouth,if you lose a fish on slide it will only have your trace in its mouth with no nylon attatched to it!!!!so come with valid reasons why sliding is so bad before you chirp utter rubbish!!!!

 

[cracker jack.]

and heres for some of you guys that are saying barbless "J" hooks are better! these are the hooks that came out the rags mouth, kendals with flattened barbs so bite on that...hahaha

 

[Trophy]

Hiya CJ,

just for interest...Maybe you could share with the guys how many meters of nylon and sinkers you remove from the water when you dive to clear the bricks on the Elbow before each cracker season starts.

 

[cracker jack.]

plenty plenty plenty boet! it looks like spider webbs down there! atleast we do our part to try keep things clean and we get led at the same time.....hahaha, truth hurts about those barbless J hooks doesnt it

 

[aquadementia]

morbus - actually normal fish cant, nor can most (if not all) sharks. I dont have the substantiating documentation on hand but its somewhere. Most of the reactions to being poked are reflexes, same as a paralyzed person still being able to kick the leg out when the knee gets a bump.

I dont think whether its cold blooded or not has anything at all to do with it

 

[Trophy]

Hiya CJ,

Two weeks back at Something Good I pulled my slide out and picked up a mess. I could feel it was old nylon because it was 'snatching' slowly towards me!

Thank Neptune I was using SeaGrand! LoL

I managed to pull out three slide rigs and one throw bait rig. Attached to the mess was one dead Smoothhound and a very alive 10kg Gulley Shark. All trapped in the birds nest of traces.

I recon all three rigs were left after anglers got snagged on the old nylon and then these little fish later hooked themselves on the baited hooks. These little sharks should never cause a brun-off?

To add to the problem those little sharks would have become 'smarties' to the next Raggie, Grey or GW passing by. Can you only imagine the mess that could have caused to the poor chap. Enough hooks, steel and nylon to make a much worse video clip?

Now do we blame slide here of all the crap simply left behind by all fishermen on a popular spot like Something Good.

 

 

[kraken]

cracker jack. wrote:

and heres for some of you guys that are saying barbless "J" hooks are better! these are the hooks that came out the rags mouth, kendals with flattened barbs so bite on that...hahaha

Yup, was emailed that earlier this week, which is why I said that its been happening with J hooks as well.

I still believe that fishing with the slide should be more regulated. I use this technique myself and have caught plenty of fish on it but I also make damn sure I try to minimise the damage I cause by fishing with the correct tackle and by shaking that bait out till I have to ask myself whether my internal organs will suffer from bruising due to all the shaking.

I've also killed, dumped, sold, and finned enough sharks as a commercial to give the bunnyhuggers a stroke and for the sea shepard hippies to drown me in patchoulie oil. A tree hugging greenie I am not. I'm a realist who can't help but notice that in general, the majority of people who fish don't really give a $%^& and will end up stuffing it up for the rest of us.

Yeah, its a bloodsport and there will always be collateral damage and for sure I'll catch and keep my quota of yellowtail or tuna, but I also don't see it as out of line at all to voice my very strong feelings about having respect for a creature who's soul purpose in me hooking and hopefully landing it is to give me a thrill of note.

That in my opinion deserves the utmost respect on my behalf.

And as an aside, I've also noticed a sudden increase in the sensitivity and rudeness of the way some people react here on Sealine.The Southern Cape posts being a classic example. WTF is wrong with some of you people? Is it the moon? Red tide? PMS? Hangovers? Or just plain disrespect for your fellow man?

The overwhelming majority of members here are a pretty decent bunch. Some however voice their opinions a little more strongly than others.

I myself like to play devils advocate as many know. Some may find that a little offensive. Hell, my wife just rolls her eyes and grins and bears it when my weird sense of humour crops up. But I draw the line at getting personal and vindictive.

This is a forum for healthy debate.

Anyway, I've still got a few more slide traces to make up for the weekend, so I'll leave it at that.......

 

[Brett Jacobs]

Well put Kraken.

 

Give it gas at Struis

 

[Fluffy]

I Miss PE shark fishing.....:cry1:cry1:cry1:cry1:cry1

 

[Fluffy]

Another thing.... I wonder how many sharks will be lost if we all where fishing with big reels 80pd braid and .7mm mainline with 400pd steel taking our bait out with dinglehoppers.....

Another thing that could be failed to notice,is not just the tackle, I have seen many anglers making the wrong knots.....Even with ultra heavy tackle the wrong knots could pull with one tailslap....

 

[Yman]

On the topic of all the nylon in the water.
Snorkeled a gully in Schoenies , pulled out lots of nylon, most of them had spark plugs on for sinkers...

looked like a spider web in the water.