You would not find me complaining about the absence of grass carp, but thanx for asking shuraj, it helps to know if there's some kind of pattern to the whole thing, like Enigma has just highlighted there could be. Enigma, any comment about the prevalence of muddies this time of year in the Vaal River? About a month ago I could only manage a couple of muddies and no carp at Dimalachite on the Vaal River?