Fuji reel seats & trigger winches

[On_Dad]

Hi guys,

Just a few thoughts i have had regarding the standard nylon injected Fuji reel seat and trigger winches. I know that the trigger winches are now available in 22 and 24",

But why are they not being manufactured from the same material as the standard winches?

Is it graphite they use? Why not make them in stainless steel for durability?

I have read somewhere on this forum that it is advisable to use your reel clamp when using trigger winches, but the xtra weight is a factor. So if the trigger was made of stainless, we wouldn't have to stress on using the reel clamps.

Any opinions welcome

 

[Johan S]

Good question! I'll be monitoring this thread closely

 

[On_Dad]

Hi Johan,

it'll be worth the wait

 

[Polychaete]

[color=#006600]poseidon5gp[/color] wrote:

................., but the xtra weight is a factor. So if the trigger was made of stainless, we wouldn't have to stress on using the reel clamps.

Any opinions welcome

I think you answer the quesation yourself really, as the weight is a problem in my opinion, besides cost.

I have never really seen the need to use a reel clamp, certainly not on normal beach fishing tackle as there is just not that much pressure on a reel at all.

 

[On_Dad]

[color=#006600]Polychaete[/color] wrote:

[color=#006600]poseidon5gp[/color] wrote:

................., but the xtra weight is a factor. So if the trigger was made of stainless, we wouldn't have to stress on using the reel clamps.

Any opinions welcome

I think you answer the quesation yourself really, as the weight is a problem in my opinion, besides cost.

I have never really seen the need to use a reel clamp, certainly not on normal beach fishing tackle as there is just not that much pressure on a reel at all.

Hi Poly,

I think you missed the point. I was referring to the weight of the reel clamp, and not the weight on a trigger. As you know already, triggers are made of graphite, and graphite aint that strong. So, if you can see that when your reel is fitted, which end of the seat takes the most pressure, obviously the bottom end. Now, imagine this:

You're fighting a monster, and to prevent unneccessary build up of lactic acid etc, and to be able to release him without it being put through too much strain, you put extra pressure on him to get him out quickly. You're putting strain on your tackle. Your GRAPHITE trigger parts, and you're left with a rod without guides and your reel goes surfing.

2 thoughts come to mind:

Should i have used my reel clamp, and suffered the discomfort?

Or should i have rather fitted a stainless trigger?

My opinion

 

[Polychaete]

OK, but the issue is still weight not so....., either the heavier ss steel reel seat or then if you prefer, the reel clamp if you're not happy with the strength of the reel seat.

I'm not aware that they have changed the material of the graphite real seats, but SS steel has not really been used locally for a long time.   You can buy all sorts in the US if you want to, but I don't think triggers are available in SS steel or alloy for that matter.

However, I still do not see the need for a stronger reel seat under most normal fishing conditions.

• I often catch very strong fish, the way to land them is to pull the hell out of them, using 50lb line & 80lb leader.  Have never experienced any damage whatsoever to a fudji graphite real seat. [/*]
• I build my own rods and have a number of times successfully removed real seats from broken rods using all sorts of large leverage and even a hammer when epoxy glue was used.........the real seats do not break and can be used again! [/*]
• You go test the pull on the line at the real seat with a scale...........(Ive never done that) with your rod held in the normal pulling position, it is not much pull. [/*]
• If you straight stick it, you will get the full effect of the line strength and will do damage to your reel.

[/*]
I would not consider using SS steel again, the weight is a big issue to me nor would I worry about a reel seat breaking.


 

 

[Johan S]

Maybe we can get an indication from the other guys on the forum on how many of them have actually suffered from reel seat failure? This may be a case of stainless steel being stronger than graphite, but graphite is more than strong enough (?)

 

[Pylstert]

The 22mm Fuji trigger reel seats on surf rods do break. Ask Rodbuilder (if he still hangs out here) he repairs them

 

[On_Dad]

Thanks Poly; Johan S; Pylstert
All opinions welcome. Had a chat with a few okes yesterday, and the opinions were that when you're on with a monster, that you should straight stick him. This is where i see the dilemna of a graphite trigger not holding up, as Pylstert and a few others have already experienced, due to the fact that when straight sticking, all the pressure on the reel is actually at the back end of the reel seat.

 

[Weedeater]

Pylstert wrote:

The 22mm Fuji trigger reel seats on surf rods do break. Ask Rodbuilder (if he still hangs out here) he repairs them

Yes they do, the 22mm don't have as much re-inforcing as the std 24mm Fuji's. Poseidon, are you sure Fuji triggers are now available in 24mm? About damn time!

 

[Weedeater]

poseidon5gp wrote:

Thanks Poly; Johan S; Pylstert
All opinions welcome. Had a chat with a few okes yesterday, and the opinions were that when you're on with a monster, that you should straight stick him. This is where i see the dilemna of a graphite trigger not holding up, as Pylstert and a few others have already experienced, due to the fact that when straight sticking, all the pressure on the reel is actually at the back end of the reel seat.

Yes, this is true and I posted regarding this issue about a year back. The one suggestion was to use the reel clamps provided by Daiwa/Shimano to prevent this happening.

 

[On_Dad]

[color=#006600]Weedeater[/color] wrote:

poseidon5gp wrote:

Thanks Poly; Johan S; Pylstert
All opinions welcome. Had a chat with a few okes yesterday, and the opinions were that when you're on with a monster, that you should straight stick him. This is where i see the dilemna of a graphite trigger not holding up, as Pylstert and a few others have already experienced, due to the fact that when straight sticking, all the pressure on the reel is actually at the back end of the reel seat.

Yes, this is true and I posted regarding this issue about a year back. The one suggestion was to use the reel clamps provided by Daiwa/Shimano to prevent this happening.

Sup Weeds,

24mm is available, speak to khan, i think he's got stock.

As for using the reel clamps, we want to try and steer away from it as they are cumbersome, therefore my question. "why not make the triggers in stainless?"

Anybody see the benefits?

 

[Polychaete]

Never too old to learn something, though Ive not seen one break, on the other hand, they have not been around here that long either.

I would wonder why it is made from different material to the traditional graphite winches?

I have seen one of the adjustable trigger winches give trouble, but I could fix that one.