FISH FOR THOUGHT

The landings to date of the 73 trawlers inshore and offshore. Note the lack of bycatches of carpenter, cob, cape salmon etc.

hake: 100908629kg

Maarsbanker: 33368748kg

Monk:  6588969kg

Kingklip: 2181967kg

Sole: 652729kg

snoek: 3153808kg

Makriel: 487914kg

Chokka: 820449kg

Thats all as per logs submitted but lots outstanding.
 

Tailwalker1

Senior Member
Are those figures from the whole South Africa or just in and around our area? And they put restrictions on us as recreational anglers that will never be able to catch those amounts in our lives.
 
Tailwalker1 wrote:
Are those figures from the whole South Africa or just in and around our area? And they put restrictions on us as recreational anglers that will never be able to catch those amounts in our lives.
this is the south african permit holders, but note not all vessels submitted full reports. The best is that those inshore vessels from mosselbay do not report their cob etc. catches. Aproxx 6000kg of undersize cob is bought from them by 1 factory alone per month. Also the carpenter and panga catches is missing.
 

Marthin

Sealiner
i think that other pice of paper i got is an estimated 275 000 tonnes per year of kob and about same for geelbek on a yearly average...
 

fishalitis

Senior Member
also doesnt included sharks which have no limits. There are 6 long line licences issued for the country for Sharks
 

Marthin

Sealiner
Here are some figures.  This is the average yearly take just for inshore hake trawlers of other species than hake/sole:

Skate/Ray - 833 Tonnes
Dogshark - 409 Tonnes
Silver Kob - 294 Tonnes
White Stumpnose - 230 Tonnes
Geelbek - 107 Tonnes
Smooth Hound - 82 Tonnes
Carpenter - 83 Tonnes

Also look at 5 tonnes of spotted grunter couple of tonnes of other sharks, rays, bull ray couple of tonnes of sandshark and so on and so forth.

The majority of the silver kob and geelbek caught in trawls were smaller than the corresponding size limits imposed on the linefishery.

Check attached spreadsheet. (divide kg by 1000 to get tonnes).
 

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catchme2

New member
i've always said, The Trawlers kill millions of undersize fish on a DAILY basis. We catch one If we lucky on a weekend or sometime monthly. and we have a size limit.
They need to fix the SYSTEM ! I'm sure some money ends up in GOVERMENT pockets?
so they limit us to enable the BIG companies to fish limitless.
Its the same for crayfish! export market pays well. most of our crayfish end up overseas. there is more than enough to feed hungry mouths for cheap here. SOMEONE is benefiting finacially to export. not us South Africans. hence the limits for recreational fisherman.
 

catchme2

New member
i've always said, The Trawlers kill millions of undersize fish on a DAILY basis. We catch one If we lucky on a weekend or sometime monthly. and we have a size limit.
They need to fix the SYSTEM ! I'm sure some money ends up in GOVERMENT pockets?
so they limit us to enable the BIG companies to fish limitless.
Its the same for crayfish! export market pays well. most of our crayfish end up overseas. there is more than enough to feed hungry mouths for cheap here. SOMEONE is benefiting finacially to export. not us South Africans. hence the limits for recreational fisherman.
 

zulu-X-treme

Sealiner
About 10 years back my Mom owned a Deepsea & Dive Charter on Inhaca Island off the coast of Mozambique and I would spend a few weeks during the year helping out with the boats etc... Nevertheless during that time I had some very interesting conversations with the locals...

During the war between FRELIMO and RENAMO in Mozambique a few very interesting deals were struck. It turns out that RENAMO was being financed by America and South Africa and FRELIMO had backing from Russia and a few other countries. As time went by with apartheid crumbling and the financial backing of RENAMO dwindling it was decided to establish a coalition government.

What came to light after the coalition government was established is that for FRELIMO to get financial backing, Military weapons and Navy Strike Craft from Russia they had to sign over fishing concessions. So once FRELIMO attained the majority seats in government along came Russia to claim their prize. I have seen it with my own eyes how the Long Liners have raped (and still are) the Mozambiquan coastline, it's sick.

All this just makes a person wonder, considering the amount of financial backing the ANC required for the years that apartheid exisited, I wonder what deals they struck with their supporters? How many 'arrangements' were made behind closed doors, possibly sealing the fate of our precious ocean resources, to name but one.

It's a fact that the ANC owns 25% shares in HITACHI and interestingly enough HITACHI is the same company that is benefiting directly from the sale of technology to assist South Africa in power generation (ESKOM) and the like.

If this kind of thing is happening blantantly what is happening that we cannot see?
 

Fanie

Sealiner
Aye Zulu, you're going to feel sick if you see what's really going on under our noses. Why do you think they want to proclaim some things as secret. There is not a single sector that isn't bled to death while they are milking the public at the same time.

That is a LOT of fish. I have no problem if it is sustainable, but is it.

The problem with recreational fishing is that it doesn't make a dent of any kind in the offshore fish, it does however have an effect on the coastal fish. That is why I keep nagging you guys to come together and lets put some reefs up. That way we can produce a lot more fish and no one can point a finger at us recreationals.
 

zulu-X-treme

Sealiner
You know Fanie you talk like this, a few years ago I approached the CSIR in connection with an idea to build reefs along our shoreline and to this day I am still patiently waiting for a response from them.
 

fishalitis

Senior Member
zulu-X-treme wrote:
You know Fanie you talk like this, a few years ago I approached the CSIR in connection with an idea to build reefs along our shoreline and to this day I am still patiently waiting for a response from them.
Its a good idea i like it. You guys need to use the words upliftment of economically diadvantaged and you will get funding from some bunny huggers overseas
 

Fanie

Sealiner
Because of the corruption in SA fewer and fewer donators are willing to help. The moment gov gets a sniff that money's are donated they will get in it for the taking.

There is only one way this is going to get done and that would be if we do it ourselves. There are ways to get the funds and materials and it will work. It would also be a big leaver not to have any license increases when it comes to fishing since we maintain the resource ourselves. That is where the license fees are supposed to be spent in the first place.

I'm of the opinion that if we can put a few reefs up at a location area then in a while that spot is going to become very popular because it produces fish - and more locations will want the same advantage.
 

zulu-X-treme

Sealiner
What is great about this idea is that it's been 'tried and tested' in America. They have successfully established (man-made) reefs and the bounty on these reefs is measurable. Besides the fishing opportunites the diving community also stand to benefit.

I'm sure if we all got together we could come up with hundreds of ideas on how to do this. Besides the obvious ways of establishing reefs I'm sure there would be a few very creative ideas to...
 
Marthin wrote:
Here are some figures.  This is the average yearly take just for inshore hake trawlers of other species than hake/sole:

Skate/Ray - 833 Tonnes
Dogshark - 409 Tonnes
Silver Kob - 294 Tonnes
White Stumpnose - 230 Tonnes
Geelbek - 107 Tonnes
Smooth Hound - 82 Tonnes
Carpenter - 83 Tonnes

Also look at 5 tonnes of spotted grunter couple of tonnes of other sharks, rays, bull ray couple of tonnes of sandshark and so on and so forth.

The majority of the silver kob and geelbek caught in trawls were smaller than the corresponding size limits imposed on the linefishery.

Check attached spreadsheet. (divide kg by 1000 to get tonnes).
 

marthin

now here we get to the facts why i do not believe ion the scientist of MCM (DAFF) as in 2000/ 2001 only 98ton geelbek and 140 ton cob was remaining in our ocean, hence the protection and drastic limitations. my point is that the catches in both years exceeded what was supposedly in the sea?????
 

itsarap

Senior Member
I just think that government only cares about one thing and that is how much money can fill the back pockets, so why don't we play them at there own game and get some government official involved pay him his fee and get our coastal resources protected from over fishing by trawlers etc. Its a wild thought but hey why not try.
 

Beach_Drifter

Senior Member
This makes me realy sad...

We are totally helpless against these major manufacturers...

The average consumer doesnt care about where his food comes from and to make matters worse all these companies are just Undividual business units of major corporations.

Its brings me to grave sadness to think that we are headed for a time in our lifetimes still where there will be nothing left. Its painfull...

Awareness of depeleting stocks and a USELESS government is the major problem in my opinion...

Fact is that the human race doesnt care about anything if it doesnt affect him personally or threatens his existance. What Vaalie that doesnt fish will think twice about whats happening if you told him...

People dont care anymore and thats the worst part...

Just my 2c
 

Fanie

Sealiner
People dont care anymore and thats the worst part...
It seems that way because people are too buzy guarding for their wickets to stay alive and out of trouble with the 'law'.

i do not believe ion the scientist of MCM (DAFF)
You mean thumb suck suiting numbers

What is great about this idea is that it's been 'tried and tested' in America. They have successfully established (man-made) reefs and the bounty on these reefs is measurable. Besides the fishing opportunites the diving community also stand to benefit.

I'm sure if we all got together we could come up with hundreds of ideas on how to do this. Besides the obvious ways of establishing reefs I'm sure there would be a few very creative ideas to...

So far we are three... LOL
 
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