Fireline or Kingfisher casting braid

[roland]

thanks for all the input in some one elses topic haha. guess every one struggling with windknots can read here.



.. i have the fireline on a sedona 4000 ( 3windknots ) and previously on a okuma aquios55 which is much cheaper than the sedona ( no windknots )



.. had viper braid on the sedona before the fireline (no windknots



.. whats been said about use of a swiwel makes sense as the line is somewhat spiraly twisted (umh) where exactly do i put the swiwel?



.. Neil, guess ill have to look at a daiwa then for the cheaper range. think the crossfire is as high as i can go for now. whats your opinion on the penn grinders??

 

[aquadementia]

salty-sea-dog wrote:

Hey Roland, (and other struggling with these knots)

Not sure why they are called windknots, cos wind doesn't have much to do with it really....but thats irrelevant. Not overfilling and layered the line on your reel is important as mentioned before, but knots shouldn't form (nasty ones at least - like your pics) if you don't have twist in your line. So having a swivel will definately help, but it also won't solve your problem. Swivels, no matter how good they are will never be able to spin (and therefore untwist) at the speed that your line is twisting if you are reeling in a lure that is twisting. The other thing that causes a huge amount of twist is a bait sitting in a current...A prawn on the end of a hook waiting for a grunter to bite will be spinning around like crazy if there is any current.

To check for the amount of twist in your line pull a length of line off your reel (while you are still rigged up) and double it. If the line ends up looking like a picture from one of Reefman's twisted leader demos, then a knot will be on its way in one of your next few casts...

To sort this out, remove your rig and tie a round sinker to the end of your line and cast it out. Then reel in slowly holding the line tightly between your thumb and finger. If you reel to fast, the line wont untwist and your fingers will burn. A piece of cloth will help. Do this a few times and your line should untwist. Do the same check again (double a lenghth of line) and if the two lenghts of line lie next to eachother withought twisting, then you are good to go. It only takes a few minutes, but will save you the hassle of trying to untie knots or lose line.

Hope this makes sense. Its not 100% effective, but its quick, easy and can be done in the spot where you are fishing.  

 

i dont believe its wind as in the wind that blows through the trees wind, rather the way the line is wound onto the reel wind (knot). Even though certain tv anglers call it the former

 

[Reefman]

aquadementia wrote:

 
i dont believe its wind as in the wind that blows through the trees wind, rather the way the line is wound onto the reel wind (knot). Even though certain tv anglers call it the former

Hahaha I heard that too AD!

Spinning Reels WIND (as in "WHYnd") in the line, putting a twist or  'torque' (like a coilspring) into the line. The more you WHYnd in without untensioning/untorquing the line, the more chance of a WHYndknot.


 

 

[Homie]

LOL !

So its a whined knot not a weend knot, Not ?

 

[kitefisher]

aquadementia wrote:

salty-sea-dog wrote:

Hey Roland, (and other struggling with these knots)

Not sure why they are called windknots, cos wind doesn't have much to do with it really....but thats irrelevant. Not overfilling and layered the line on your reel is important as mentioned before, but knots shouldn't form (nasty ones at least - like your pics) if you don't have twist in your line. So having a swivel will definately help, but it also won't solve your problem. Swivels, no matter how good they are will never be able to spin (and therefore untwist) at the speed that your line is twisting if you are reeling in a lure that is twisting. The other thing that causes a huge amount of twist is a bait sitting in a current...A prawn on the end of a hook waiting for a grunter to bite will be spinning around like crazy if there is any current.

To check for the amount of twist in your line pull a length of line off your reel (while you are still rigged up) and double it. If the line ends up looking like a picture from one of Reefman's twisted leader demos, then a knot will be on its way in one of your next few casts...

To sort this out, remove your rig and tie a round sinker to the end of your line and cast it out. Then reel in slowly holding the line tightly between your thumb and finger. If you reel to fast, the line wont untwist and your fingers will burn. A piece of cloth will help. Do this a few times and your line should untwist. Do the same check again (double a lenghth of line) and if the two lenghts of line lie next to eachother withought twisting, then you are good to go. It only takes a few minutes, but will save you the hassle of trying to untie knots or lose line.

Hope this makes sense. Its not 100% effective, but its quick, easy and can be done in the spot where you are fishing.  

 

i dont believe its wind as in the wind that blows through the trees wind, rather the way the line is wound onto the reel wind (knot). Even though certain tv anglers call it the former

Hey Aqua,hope you have a great fishing year,long time no chat.I think the wind played a role in the original definition of the knot in the flyfishing arena,too much of a wind not necessarily into a favourable direction to assist the caster lead to many a tangled tippet and the phrase was arguably coined there.

Dropshot and light tackle lure/braid-fishing probably adopted the phrase from the swingers of the magic wand.

Just a guess.

 

[salty-sea-dog]

Ah - never thought of it that way - makes good sense. Heard flyfisherman call knots in their leader windknots - as Kitefisher says. But again i don't think wind has all that much do do with it, more likely a bad casting technique... the wind is always a good excuse though!

Anyway, regardless of what they are called, I don't think buying a new reel is the answer, as no matter how good your reel is, your line will always twist if your lure or bait is doing so under the water.

 

[kitefisher]

I agree Salty,those tangled tippets can come at a dime a dozen, even on perfectly windless days.It stems from poor tecnique,more specific, in flyfishing it would be when the angler does not wait for the line to completely unroll and load the rod,before commencing his next stroke,be it forward or backwards.In other words rushing the cast.

Insofar as braid is concerned,I suspect yourself and Aquadementia are correct in saying the wind plays no role,and it would in years gone by simply be reffered as a tangle or line -twist,it is very often exacerbated by an angler winding on a grinder when the drag is too loose for the fish and the spool simply rotates without the angler gaining any line,a sure-fire way to book a session with the crochet needle,lol

 

[neilg]

roland wrote:

.. Neil, guess ill have to look at a daiwa then for the cheaper range. think the crossfire is as high as i can go for now. whats your opinion on the penn grinders??

can't give an answer, don't know the Penns too well,

only have the Captiva CV6000, haven't used it much, but it has more ball bearings than a rugby team.

Didn't have a problem with it (that I can remember), it's now on my sons 10ft rod, loaded with 9kg mono.