Escapade 28ft Walk Around - part of my "bucketlist"

B

BFC

Senior Member
Marthin wrote:
It's not difficult... boat, car doesnt really matter.

Ferrari can use the car they built's photos as much as they want to advertise a certain model.

Once i have bought mine tho, they have to ask and receive written consent from me to use my pictures of MY car in their adverts. They can use the next one off the production line again till they sell that one to someone else, then same story.

You can definately not take pictures of a completed boat, and make as if you built the entire thing or even own it, if you only built a part of it. Especially not if half has been done over again.
Click to expand...

You may find it hard to believe , but do agree with you 100% if the relationship was between a Builder and Bonafide Client - car , boat etc

In this case it was not there was a partnership / intent either verbal or written where 1 party would build a prototype at cost and the other party will market handle the sales - Mid process this relationship soured and that makes this whole debakel unique circumstances, yet Escapade is still pleading he was just a client and not being completely honest.
 
B

benniejordaan

Sealiner
If Ben Lochner takes a picture of a boat that he could not complete or it had to be rebuilt by someone else, then he is defrauding prospective clients by creating false expectation.

There is no doubt that Lochner is a good boat builder but also that he is very dishonest and hard headed. He should work to clear his name. The first step is accepting his faults and the second would be an apology. But I think he is too arrogant hence taking a picture of Escapade on her current mooring...
 
I

Ivory Madonna

New member
benniejordaan wrote:
If Ben Lochner takes a picture of a boat that he could not complete or it had to be rebuilt by someone else, then he is defrauding prospective clients by creating false expectation.

There is no doubt that Lochner is a good boat builder but also that he is very dishonest and hard headed. He should work to clear his name. The first step is accepting his faults and the second would be an apology. But I think he is too arrogant hence taking a picture of Escapade on her current mooring...
Click to expand...
Bennie, I think you have hit the nail on the head, however, a good boat builder I am not so sure of. No good boat builder uses shutter ply for transoms or structural bulkheads. This been the case in Escapade.

I suppose if "you pay peanuts you get monkeys!"
 
D

DieselDog1000

New member
I really love the interweb. Looks like Lochner been up to no good again.

Did a patent search on their so called patented floats, well looks like we can all build them! These okes are real B..sh..tters and here is just another scenario.
 

Attachments

  • Patented.jpg
    Patented.jpg
    38.2 KB · Views: 316
B

BFC

Senior Member
Diesel Dog , voorspoed met die nuwe jaar ou maat.

Ek het jou al vroeer verwag.

bou bietjie so ding dan wys jy ons hoe werk dit.

Ek is baie nuuskierig :SSS
 
G

Greenhorn

Senior Member
benniejordaan wrote:
BFC wrote:
Diesel Dog , voorspoed met die nuwe jaar ou maat.

Ek het jou al vroeer verwag.

bou bietjie so ding dan wys jy ons hoe werk dit.

Ek is baie nuuskierig :SSS
Click to expand...
I like a challenge... I don't think it's that complicated.;)
Click to expand...
With very little effort and very little knowledge one can build a lift. All you need to know is how to weld the frame, and wiring of the airpumps and the control there of.
 
B

benniejordaan

Sealiner
Heres my thought...

You actually use air not water. Blow air into the sponsons and the water is pushed out the bottom. Seal it off and water wont come in - it remains out the water. Release the air valves and the sponsons fill with water (replacing the air) causing them to sink.

I reckon you need to link the two so the air pressure equalises.

Jojo will make the sponsons for you out of plastic. You need to be able to plastic weld.

The 4 chambers above the sponsons are there to serve 2 purposes. 1 - It keeps the air intake away from water and 2 - provides some buoyancy so it doesn't sink completely.
 
G

Greenhorn

Senior Member
benniejordaan wrote:
Heres my thought...

You actually use air not water. Blow air into the sponsons and the water is pushed out the bottom. Seal it off and water wont come in - it remains out the water. Release the air valves and the sponsons fill with water (replacing the air) causing them to sink.

I reckon you need to link the two so the air pressure equalises.

Jojo will make the sponsons for you out of plastic. You need to be able to plastic weld.

The 4 chambers above the sponsons are there to serve 2 purposes. 1 - It keeps the air intake away from water and 2 - provides some buoyancy so it doesn't sink completely.
Click to expand...
Understanding the concept is half of the work. They work just as you explained there.
 
B

barryfish

Senior Member
Anyone know why they pump the air?
My logic says when you pump out the water air on a valve will replace it, when you pump in the water it will get heavy and sink? or is the sponson under air pressure? would higher air pressure make it float better, or have i just answered my own Q.
 
D

DieselDog1000

New member
BFC wrote:
Diesel Dog , voorspoed met die nuwe jaar ou maat.

Ek het jou al vroeer verwag.

bou bietjie so ding dan wys jy ons hoe werk dit.

Ek is baie nuuskierig :SSS
Click to expand...
Ja swaar, die selfde vir jou,

Looks to me like the man has given up building boats and rather something that just has to go up and down!vvidevb
 
B

benniejordaan

Sealiner
barryfish wrote:
Anyone know why they pump the air?
My logic says when you pump out the water air on a valve will replace it, when you pump in the water it will get heavy and sink? or is the sponson under air pressure? would higher air pressure make it float better, or have i just answered my own Q.
Click to expand...
While the pump is running all you will see is it is rising. When it gets all the way up, air suddenly starts coming out the bottom. That is because air is pushed in the top which pushes water out the bottom. Once it gets all the way up and water has been completely expelled, air starts coming out the holes and it is switched off. If you keep the valve closed and dont let air escape, it stays up. Then you need to use a different valve to let the air out again because of the one way valves. I would personally just have a switch over valve that you can open/close instead of switching the pipes over. There will be a one way valves like a blow up mattress. One valve for up and one for down. In the video there are 4 pipes one for each of those inlet boxes.

Along those lines...

I think there will be 4 air pumps.
 
B

barryfish

Senior Member
benniejordaan wrote:
barryfish wrote:
Anyone know why they pump the air?
My logic says when you pump out the water air on a valve will replace it, when you pump in the water it will get heavy and sink? or is the sponson under air pressure? would higher air pressure make it float better, or have i just answered my own Q.
Click to expand...
While the pump is running all you will see is it is rising. When it gets all the way up, air suddenly starts coming out the bottom. That is because air is pushed in the top which pushes water out the bottom. Once it gets all the way up and water has been completely expelled, air starts coming out the holes and it is switched off. If you keep the valve closed and dont let air escape, it stays up. Then you need to use a different valve to let the air out again because of the one way valves. I would personally just have a switch over valve that you can open/close instead of switching the pipes over. There will be a one way valves like a blow up mattress. One valve for up and one for down. In the video there are 4 pipes one for each of those inlet boxes.

Along those lines...

I think there will be 4 air pumps.
Click to expand...
I got how it works with non return valves etc, just why pump air, why not just pump the water out, with a one way air valve that lets air in and only pressured air out, then your pump can sit on the key, and you would only need one pump. when you pump water in will pressure the air and expel, when you pump water out you create vacuum, sucking air in.
The air must be forced in to lift the boat? compressors involved?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top