durban harbour night rating revisted

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zmahomedy

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after reading up on the previous threads on night rating
in durban harbour with a CAT C day rated ticket, it still looks like the SAP have no idea what the hell they doing.

Just landed a 1500 rand fine for not being night rated in the bay! wtf...

I even had the samsa 2011 notice notice which states in 11.3.4 about being rated for day and night in inland waters
but they refused to acknowledge that point.

Ive also contacted a few of the skippers training centers and have confirmed that CAT C super seeds CAT R.
 
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zmahomedy

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From what I was told, the lowest level of competency for any inland waters day or night is CAT R. Everything else super ceeds this. I was told this by instructors.

and

From marine notice 13

Level of competency and limitations:


2011 reads:

11.3.4 Day Skipper Category C <9m or ≥9m
Type and category of vessel involved:

‗Category C vessel [<9m or >9m], and any non passenger vessel on inland waters in South Africa, day or night.

Level of competency and limitations:

‗Day Skipper of a power driven vessel limited to 15 nautical miles from shore; proceeding to sea from a commercial harbour, fishing harbour, or a protected launch site.‘


 
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hushpuppy

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We pay the clubs that we belong whatever fees that they ask for but we don't get the same service that we require from them. Everytime that I've asked the official my club with regards to the night rating, cause my boat is rated cat r he say's to me that I must go and find out from capt. Sen.:fbash
 
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zmahomedy

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SAMSA act of 1951

today we spoke to the port capt, he was very pleasant and he agreed with us. He mentioned that they cant really handle the SAP as they have full jurisdiction in the waters since America imposed security rules years ago.

Went to the courts and spoke to 3 prosecutors on the matter they agreed after showing them the new 2011 marine notice that something is not right and will get clarification.

Hopefully they can resolve this with SAP and give clarification once and for all.
 
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Shaun17

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The SAMSA Act 1951 is a large document, I would insist that they provide me with the exact regulation as they do when issuing a traffic fine..... My 2c
 
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zmahomedy

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Update:

The fine was dropped without even going to court, but still no definite answer from SAP.

Last night the SAP again come over and are now telling us
there is a BRAND new law that just came in yesterday that we need a DoC from the port captain to fish in the bay at night.

We need our clubs to get involved with this and sort this matter out once and for all. Btw since our skipper was Cat C rated, they insisted he needed his radio operators licence for inland waters as well. What bullshit
 
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Mohamed-a

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Same hapened to us a while ago about the radio licence while we were fishing in the harbour. The 1 sap made us remove our 1 as we did not have the operating licence, we did as he said btw this was the indian guy. The next week we were bak at the harbour for a days fishing, we were then shortly visited by our best friends 1c again but this time a different group of s.a.p's. The emty space in the consol were the radio was caught the attension of them, shortly we were told to remove our boat from the water as we did not have the radio on board. Now this really got me confused:?, knowing that we could not argue with them we did as they said.
 
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Ski Scout

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So lets get this straight

If you have a DOC with your relvant skippers ticket , you can fish  DBN Harbour at night?


If so who is the contact person for confirmation

For your info wrt VHF...

If you have a VHF radio on your Boat you need

1) a VHF station lic (you get that from ICASA about 400 once off reg fee). You have to register the set with them and you pay a yearly lic fee of around 50 bucks.This regulation is not new and has been around for many many years 

2) You( the individual) need a Restricted marine operator LIC to operate the VHF radio.This is done through SAMSA. Here you will learn the correct protocols for using the raido and learn which channels are DBN harbour working channels. Channel 16 , contarty to what most people think, is NOT A DBN port working channel.

You will also not get your DOC if you done have this Radio Operators certificate.The DOC allows you to exit the port and for that you ned to get permission from Port control via VHF.


Once again this is not new regulations , it hs been around for years


Trust the above clarifies


Rgds

Rob
 
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dugongboy

Sealiner
The vhf is only needed entry/exit if the port, the current SAMSA reg states that you need only a CAT C skippers to fish in the harbour at night(+ relevant lights). The way I see it the port captain could possibly have insisted that you need a DOC to fish IN the harbour at night??
 
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bruce-bp

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I have been stopped by the water wing & kept alongside while waiting for their bigger boat to come. By then my fine had reached R3000 because I was skipping my boat at night with a cat c skipper's cert - R1500. Then I pulled out my cat r cert so I was given another R1500 for skipping a cat d boat with a cat r cert. I was then told because it was 2 fines & the amount was so much I was going to be "detained". Then my luck kicked "Danny" (we know who that is) in the nuts. When the big cat arrived, which tied the saps duck & my boat alongside, Danny jumps aboard the cat and asked me to follow him. Low & behold I hear a voice saying my name and asking me what am I doing here. It was a friend, higher rank than Danny, he got my fine reduced, I don't know how & said that I should get my doc & Danny won't pull this *** with me. I must say that my friend was pretty naar with Danny as he was always "pulling these moves". this all took 2 1/2 hrs. how's that?? I believe we must have the law, but some individuals need a smack on the head.

My 2c
 
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zmahomedy

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Re: Harbour Documents

Every time we call the port captain we get a different story from him.

Yesterday we called him he said the DOC is only needed for leaving and entering the Harbour. However regardless
since no one wants to commit to an official statement in writing including the port captain

If you are cat c or higher
always keep on you the following to be on the safe side

skippers ticket
pink harbour disk
ship station lic
Radio operator Lic
Doc ( obtained from the Port Captain )
A copy of marine notice 2011 page 58+/- which states that
a Day skipper can operate at night in inland waters.

thats my 2cents for now.
You can argue with the cops till your face goes blue but they will always try to find a a  fault.
We get 6- 10 cops on a boat harassing people instead of doing real police work and actually stopping real crime.


Please refrain from implying swear words! - Admin
 
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zmahomedy

New member
Its official from SAP that DOC is needed to operate
any craft in the bay at night if you are a DAY Rated Skipper.
They claimed that if you have your DOC and Day rated skipper ticket you will not have any problems.

It was minuted in their meetings this month.


DOC examiners
Charles Chowles 0314621016
 
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