Do fish feel?

AYOBA!

Sealiner
http://www.health24.com/medical/Condition_centres/777-792-1461-2504,75896.asp

We place fish on the hierarchy of sentience somewhere above slugs, and feel better about eating them than we do birds and mammals. But research on fish behaviour and learning suggests we've seriously underestimated them.

Fish have static, expressionless faces; their skin is cold; they have no obvious pulse and they don't call out when they're in distress (not so that we can hear, anyway).

They don't even have much variation in body posture: they thrash about when they're hooked and jerked into an environment where they can't breathe, but they don't flinch or cringe to show they're afraid or in pain.
All of which makes it easy to conclude that they're nothing like us, and feel nothing. Or nothing much.

But fish have nervous systems similar to other vertebrates, and research into their cognition and behaviour has revealed surprising results.

Does it matter what fish feel?
Lack of injury and disease, and signs of normal growth and behaviour indicates that an animal's welfare is fairly good, but that's not the whole story. Welfare should also involve freedom from physical and emotional discomfort, and a sense of wellbeing. At the most basic level, this means freedom from pain and fear.
Millions of fish are killed (and injured) in order that some can end up on our plates. Fish are now also one of the most commonly used research animals. If they are capable of feeling pain and distress in any way like other vertebrates, then their welfare, as it is with chickens and cows and zoo animals, and all other animals we use for our purposes, should be a matter of moral concern.
The greater their capacity for suffering at our hands, the greater our concern should be.
But are fish capable of suffering, and do they enjoy a sense of wellbeing? Are they capable of learning and memory, both important indicators of sentience? The examples of research findings cited here strongly indicate that they do:
Fish produce neurotransmitters such as endorphins, the function of which is to relieve pain.
In experiments similar to those on rats and mice, fish show that they feel fear, or at least unease, and can learn to avoid negative stimuli. Trout learn that a blue light is the cue for a net being dipped in the water to catch them, and know to swim into the safety of an adjacent chamber when they see the light. They also learn how to press a suspended pendulum that releases a food pellet, much like a rat pressing a lever.
Some fish use sound to communicate distress when they are threatened e.g. when nets are dipped into their tanks. In one experiment, fish grunted when they received an electric shock; what's more, the fish then began to grunt as soon as they saw the electrode.
Blind Mexican cave fish, which rely on pressure changes in the water to detect objects, form a mental map of their surroundings, memorising obstacles within a few hours.
Australian crimson spotted rainbow fish, which learnt to escape from a net in their tank, could remember how to do it again 11 months later.
Carp that have been stressed by angling activities become harder to catch in future. Similarly, paradise fish that experienced a predator attack avoid where this occurred for months.
- Olivia Rose-Innes, EnviroHealth Editor, Health24, September 2012
References:
Sneddon LU et al (2003) Do fish have nociceptors: Evidence for the evolution of a vertebrate sensory system. Proceedings of the Royal Society: Biological Sciences.

Sneddon LU (2009) Pain and Distress in Fish. ILAR J
 

oomfaan

Senior Member
I believe a fish feels as much or as little as any plant or any other living thing on earth. Feeling pain is as relative as feeling emotions. For all living beings it is a question of surviving and fulfilling its purpose in life. It is all about the circle of life.
 

oomfaan

Senior Member
Excellent article. Sorry for the highjack, but I feel we must not lose perspective here.

It is a survival mechanism. All advanced species have some form of survival mechanism, otherwise they would become extinct. Even plants have chemical reactions to help them survive. It just happens slower in plants. Have you ever watched a kudu grazing in the field? It will nibble on this tree and then move on to the next for a few nibbles before it moves on again. Have you ever wondered why it don’t just stand at one tree and fill its stomach? When the tree notices that there is something eating away at its leaves it draws a chemical that is normally stored in its roots (I can’t remember what it is called) and send it to the leaves. This chemical irritates the mouth of the kudu and then it moves on. Now, the goat (boerbok) mouth is not sensitive to this chemical and will eat a tree to look like an umbrella or in the case of a young tree, the whole tree.

Then there are people that believe that even rocks contain some form of energy or healing power. This implies that that rock must also be able to feel. As technology develops the people will discover more things and the old way of thinking will seem ridiculous. We as humans must not lose sight of what our purpose here on earth is and that is not to accumulate as much earthly belonging as we can.
 

Kenty

Sealiner
ow..the marine biologists that roof this site/forum might or might not correct me...BUT...Dolphins share a similiar chemical that us humans have in our bodies...ENDORPHINS!!!.....What a fantastic chemical!!!....When you learn the "art" of releasing these endorphins into your brain cells it is a "drug" that nothing on the market can compete with!!!!......Some people use physical excercise..others use sex...others have learnt a thought process...etc etc the list goes on!!!!....How do Dolphins do it!!...Well the jury is out on that one...BUT...one of the ways is too have FUN!!!...NOW...if you are not having fun at what you do..ie your work/home/sport/hobby environment...Wellllll!!!...Then you gotta change something!!!!!......How do you know when these endorphins are released???....Thats that "happy" feeling you get and no ..not from a "man" made chemical!!!...LOL....TRY IT!!!...Find the way to release your endorphins....WORKS FOR ME!!!!........Once you get to a point and reach a level of thought released endorphins REMEMBER the thought process and you can call on it at will and when need in times of "trouble"!!!!...NOW...I am GOING FISHING!!!!!....
Last edited on Wed Oct 3rd, 2012 05:08 pm by Darth Vader

:::S..I am a firm believer fish feel!!!.....
 

oomfaan

Senior Member
ENDORPHINS!!!.... Wow! I once had a runners High from that stuff during the last few kays of 2oceans and I can vouch for it, it is a feeling next to none. My mates running with me thought I was mad as a hatter,(what I normally am) Mother nature's own drugs.
 
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