Dislikes: Shimano Spheros SW 10000 or Shimano Saragosa SW 8000 or the Stradic SW 10000

[Tappit]

Looking to upgrade from a Spinfisher V1 6500 to one of these.

Shimano Spheros SW 10000 or Shimano Saragosa SW 8000 or the Stradic SW 10000
I think these reels are +- the same size. (will be used on a Evo Zero, or Bluefish Zero 14,6 (3-5oz) and a 15" Evo Infinity.) (using mostly 30 and 40 lbs braid with some leader line based on the area)

Not going to wade with them. (but sometimes they can get some water splash from the surf.)

I like the spheros, IPX8 rated, and reading reviews, they recon the best bang for your buck, ... but when you look at pictures of guys fishing, most are with saragosa's.

My question : (If you have one or had one before) What is the dis-likes on these reels ?

 

[Shikz]

Hi Tappit,

I recently bought the Spheros SWA 10k and its a brilliant reel. All the great qualities of the older saragosa, in a slimmer body. I have not caught anything significant on the reel yet, but so far, I think its a brilliant reel for the money. Very similar to the new saragosa, with only 2 main differences 1) theres no backup anti reverse 2) single top drag stack vs dual drag on the gosa - other than that, the reels are the internally.

 

[Tappit]

Thanks Shikz.
I just read the spheros review of Alan Hawk and it looks like the Spheros is the same reel as the Saragosa (with your No2 as the only difference - and color ), and I don't think that is something that the normal fisherman (like me) will even notice.

At Bilimoria, the price difference is Spheros swa 8000 for R 4 000 ..... and the Gosa swa 10000 is R 5 000. - door-door free shipping from them as well.

So, if you get the Spheros 8000, you also order the 10 000 spool (+- R1 300), that will set you back R 5 300 (BUT.... You have now 2 reels for the price of one . (and they are basically Gosa's in black and gold.

or , do I miss something here?

2021 Shimano Spheros SW-A AlanHawk.com

2021 Shimano Spheros SW-A AlanHawk.com

www.alanhawk.com

 

[Tappit]

psssst: The Saragosa 8000 swa also price R 5 000 at Bilimoria.

 

[Tappit]

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[Tappit]

What is the best option for our type of shore fishing / scratching etc.

HG or PG reels?

 

[SolBhorat]

What is the best option for our type of shore fishing / scratching etc.

HG or PG reels?

Hi

From what I understand, the lower ratio PG reels are more suited to rock and surf fishing as they have more torque (cranking power).
Check Zoo Look Fishing on YouTube, his video on his personal tackle is worth a watch.
The Basil Manning Rock and Surf Clinic video is also a great resource, the PG/HG/XG discussion is close to the start of the hour long video.

As for the differences between the Stradic, Saragosa and Spheros, have a look at Allan Hawk's reviews on his website.
According to him, the Gosa and Stradic are essentially the same reel with different gear ratios and sizes.
He also says that the Spheros is very similar to the Gosa except for the drag, bail arm and handle.
Check his site for more detailed info.

Hope this helps.

 

[Tappit]

Thanks SB
After my post I came across this on the internet:

Shore Jigging: PG or HG reels? – imanangler.com

imanangler.com

That last sentence just before the "conclusion" is saying it all.
For us, the weekend warrior fisherman, it don't really matter. Price is key. In my case it end up on a decision between the Saragosa 8 000HG and the 10 000PG. ( I went with the 8000 and a 10 000 x-tra spool) this is the cheaper option as to get the gosa 10 000Pg with a 8000Hg spool (Gani's and Bilimoria combination)

Spheros ? brilliant specs and reviews. I just went with what the weekend "pro's" recommend.
Stardic? You can get the Gosa 8 000/10 000 combination for the same price as what the stardic will cost you.

kind regards

 

[Don Couzens]

Thanks SB
After my post I came across this on the internet:

Shore Jigging: PG or HG reels? – imanangler.com

imanangler.com

That last sentence just before the "conclusion" is saying it all.
For us, the weekend warrior fisherman, it don't really matter. Price is key. In my case it end up on a decision between the Saragosa 8 000HG and the 10 000PG. ( I went with the 8000 and a 10 000 x-tra spool) this is the cheaper option as to get the gosa 10 000Pg with a 8000Hg spool (Gani's and Bilimoria combination)

Spheros ? brilliant specs and reviews. I just went with what the weekend "pro's" recommend.
Stardic? You can get the Gosa 8 000/10 000 combination for the same price as what the stardic will cost you.

kind regards

Both are really good high end reels that see you well, the pg hg decision is often those targeting sharks, prefer the slower ratio, the faster ration can very helpful when reeling in over bricky reefs. To throw a complete spanner in the works have you considered the daiwa bg-mq. Smooth and strong, more modern engineering. Otherwise go Saragosa, if you have the budget to choose, go for it or you will always regret it afterwards. Or spoil yourself and go for a saltist mq, sweet saragosa beater

 

[Dr halibut hoffman]

For spinning with the reels you want HG or XG, also useful when keeping sinkers off the bottom retrieving.. PG for sharks or tuna popping I guess where you might use the reel for cranking like its not designed for..? Shimano gears are the best in the business so using the reels for cranking, they seem to stand up to the abuse so depends on your intended application. Rock and surf and occasional spin, I'd get a faster retrieve, for shark fishing, slower.

 

[Shikz]

Personally, this debate about HG/PG/XG comes down to personal preference.
Here, we are talking about an 8/10k reel, so doubt its primary function is shark/tuna fishing where torque is the most important factor.
I only do R & S fishing and I like faster reels to 1) lift the sinker off the bottom quicker and prevent getting snagged 2) to bring a sinker from 110m quicker so that I can have a bait in the water again quicker. an e.g, I also have a 8k(HG) and 14k(XG) twinpower and I do not feel the difference in torque but theres a significant differences in how quick I can reel in.
I personally prefer the HG/XG models and would recommend the 8k or 14k (faster reels) for what you are looking for as above.

Shikz.

 

[DJP]

Why replace your Spinfisher 6500 VI with one of these?
I use to have Saragossa 20 000 super reel, but wanter something a bit smaller and got the Spinfisher 6500 VI LC.
Honestly really happy with the Penn reel so just wondering why you would be looking at a Shimano?

 

[SolBhorat]

Thanks SB
After my post I came across this on the internet:

Shore Jigging: PG or HG reels? – imanangler.com

imanangler.com

That last sentence just before the "conclusion" is saying it all.
For us, the weekend warrior fisherman, it don't really matter. Price is key. In my case it end up on a decision between the Saragosa 8 000HG and the 10 000PG. ( I went with the 8000 and a 10 000 x-tra spool) this is the cheaper option as to get the gosa 10 000Pg with a 8000Hg spool (Gani's and Bilimoria combination)

Spheros ? brilliant specs and reviews. I just went with what the weekend "pro's" recommend.
Stardic? You can get the Gosa 8 000/10 000 combination for the same price as what the stardic will cost you.

kind regards

Howsit Tappit.

Have u got a chance to use the Saragosa 8000 yet?
If so, do you notice a difference in casting distance between the 8k and 10k spools?

 

[SolBhorat]

Personally, this debate about HG/PG/XG comes down to personal preference.
Here, we are talking about an 8/10k reel, so doubt its primary function is shark/tuna fishing where torque is the most important factor.
I only do R & S fishing and I like faster reels to 1) lift the sinker off the bottom quicker and prevent getting snagged 2) to bring a sinker from 110m quicker so that I can have a bait in the water again quicker. an e.g, I also have a 8k(HG) and 14k(XG) twinpower and I do not feel the difference in torque but theres a significant differences in how quick I can reel in.
I personally prefer the HG/XG models and would recommend the 8k or 14k (faster reels) for what you are looking for as above.

Shikz.

Thanks Shikz, this makes a lot of sense.

The quicker retrieve would definitely be more useful than the torque when fishing reefy areas, especially considering that I primarily target eds.

I've also asked Tappit but in Ur opinion, would I get much more distance using a 10k Vs the 8k considering the spool diameter?

 

[Tappit]

Why replace your Spinfisher 6500 VI with one of these?
I use to have Saragossa 20 000 super reel, but wanter something a bit smaller and got the Spinfisher 6500 VI LC.
Honestly really happy with the Penn reel so just wondering why you would be looking at a Shimano?

Hi DJP, I got 2 Spinfisher VI 6500's, good question you ask, I dunno, I just want a saragosa, I got the 8000HG from Bilimoria and already took it out, Jip, I can remember you got the LC, its very good reels and nothing wrong with them. I use the one spinfisher on my bluefish zero and now use the saragosa on the Evo.
I'm selling this one.

 

[Tappit]

Howsit Tappit.

Have u got a chance to use the Saragosa 8000 yet?
If so, do you notice a difference in casting distance between the 8k and 10k spools?

Hi SB

I cannot see any difference in casting distance, I use both on the 8000 body, but no x-tra distance for me. Have to add that my braid is different.
I use 30lbs Adrenalin titanium braid on the 8000 spool and have 40lbs with 50lbs top on the 10 000 and cannot see a difference. (with DNA 50lbs leader on both)
This is the Braid I use on both. (8x)

 

[busanga]

Personally, this debate about HG/PG/XG comes down to personal preference.
Here, we are talking about an 8/10k reel, so doubt its primary function is shark/tuna fishing where torque is the most important factor.
I only do R & S fishing and I like faster reels to 1) lift the sinker off the bottom quicker and prevent getting snagged 2) to bring a sinker from 110m quicker so that I can have a bait in the water again quicker. an e.g, I also have a 8k(HG) and 14k(XG) twinpower and I do not feel the difference in torque but theres a significant differences in how quick I can reel in.
I personally prefer the HG/XG models and would recommend the 8k or 14k (faster reels) for what you are looking for as above.

Shikz.

i bought the Stella SW 14k XG am hoping it will be ok for R&S fishing. Mainly casting bait of the beach

 

[Dr halibut hoffman]

Yeah it'll be like taking a ferrari down for a sunday cruise along the beachfront! A bit overkill..but you only live once....so why not.

 

[busanga]

Always fun cruising the Ferrari along the beachfront...always catches something