Common problems to expect while sliding..

[skrops]

DieterW wrote:

Burnoff come from friction between the sliding ring and your line. The tighter your line the hotter the contact point becomes.

When the rod is held upright the friction between the rod eyes and the line adds more tension to your main line. By dropping the rod this tension is removed thereby removing tension from your mainline.

This is how i understand the physics of it.

maybe I am really stupid..............

most of the time when fish take a slide bait the rod it in the rod stand.......right.

in the rod stand the drag is set loose enough so that when a fish comes around and take the bait that he can run with it without pulling the rod over and into the sea, but yet tight enough so that the current(if any)does not take any line.........right

so when fish takes your bait and runs with it, one of two things has happened he taking line but your sinker is still 'vas' in the sea bed or you sinker has become dislogged(in which case the non return should be at your stopper ring and no thread of burn off (from the non return)exist........right, but in the first case burn of could very well happened, in this case only thing to do is to tighten drag slightly and evenly and hoping that sinker will either break off or become dislogged, if the sinker does not break off or become dislogged and drag get too tight too quickly you will get burned off.........right.

if the fish is in 100meter the difference in the hight in the line will be 50% in deference, but in meters hardly anything.

for me any upright rod is a shock absorber to take or release tention on the line and if you straight stick..........you got less feeling as to what is happening at the end of the line.

guys I am not trying to be difficult, I always take advice from anyone but will always analyse it and if it does not make sense to me in a practical sense not use it.........has it not become part of the show when fighting a big fish, like the guys running up and down the beach for no reason.............:op::op:

 

[DD]

LOL 69!! That fish looks EXACTLY like Cob..

 

[PLAYER 696969]

i agree skrops...

only once the bait has been presented to the slide and your done, you put it in the rod holder and set your drag.

but sometimes, you will be picked up while busy sliding. then you must drop your rod, not strike, so the fish can run along your line with ease to the bottom of your rig.

i tend to be over enthusiatic after a while not fishing, and will strike while sliding.

 

[DieterW]

skrops wrote:

DieterW wrote:

Burnoff come from friction between the sliding ring and your line. The tighter your line the hotter the contact point becomes.

When the rod is held upright the friction between the rod eyes and the line adds more tension to your main line. By dropping the rod this tension is removed thereby removing tension from your mainline.

This is how i understand the physics of it.

maybe I am really stupid..............

most of the time when fish take a slide bait the rod it in the rod stand.......right.

in the rod stand the drag is set loose enough so that when a fish comes around and take the bait that he can run with it without pulling the rod over and into the sea, but yet tight enough so that the current(if any)does not take any line.........right

so when fish takes your bait and runs with it, one of two things has happened he taking line but your sinker is still 'vas' in the sea bed or you sinker has become dislogged(in which case the non return should be at your stopper ring and no thread of burn off (from the non return)exist........right, but in the first case burn of could very well happened, in this case only thing to do is to tighten drag slightly and evenly and hoping that sinker will either break off or become dislogged, if the sinker does not break off or become dislogged and drag get too tight too quickly you will get burned off.........right.

if the fish is in 100meter the difference in the hight in the line will be 50% in deference, but in meters hardly anything.

for me any upright rod is a shock absorber to take or release tention on the line and if you straight stick..........you got less feeling as to what is happening at the end of the line.

guys I am not trying to be difficult, I always take advice from anyone but will always analyse it and if it does not make sense to me in a practical sense not use it.........has it not become part of the show when fighting a big fish, like the guys running up and down the beach for no reason.............:op::op:

 

Skrops i agree with you that if the sinker dislodges or breaks off the chance of burning off is minimal.

I do not believe it the height difference that causes burn offs.

If that were the case everyone fishing off high ledges would constantly be burned off.

I try to minimise the tension in the line and only tighten up after the initial run.

 

 

[Must-Byte]

First fish I ever hooked on a slide I got really excited and went banging away trying to set the hooks only to recieve one times burn off. Since then I have always (don't ask me how) remained really calm and dropped the rod tip and wound like hell to there was that feeling of the fish taking line and I amproud to say I have not had another burn off so to my mind dropping your rod tip does make a difference

 

[wp34]

A burnoff only happens when a fish swims diagonally away from your stiff line and your slider hasnt reached the stopper ring yet. Shake your slider, if you think it has reached the stopper ring, shake another 10 minutes!!

 

[skrops]

DieterW wrote:

skrops wrote:

DieterW wrote:

Burnoff come from friction between the sliding ring and your line. The tighter your line the hotter the contact point becomes.

When the rod is held upright the friction between the rod eyes and the line adds more tension to your main line. By dropping the rod this tension is removed thereby removing tension from your mainline.

This is how i understand the physics of it.

maybe I am really stupid..............

most of the time when fish take a slide bait the rod it in the rod stand.......right.

in the rod stand the drag is set loose enough so that when a fish comes around and take the bait that he can run with it without pulling the rod over and into the sea, but yet tight enough so that the current(if any)does not take any line.........right

so when fish takes your bait and runs with it, one of two things has happened he taking line but your sinker is still 'vas' in the sea bed or you sinker has become dislogged(in which case the non return should be at your stopper ring and no thread of burn off (from the non return)exist........right, but in the first case burn of could very well happened, in this case only thing to do is to tighten drag slightly and evenly and hoping that sinker will either break off or become dislogged, if the sinker does not break off or become dislogged and drag get too tight too quickly you will get burned off.........right.

if the fish is in 100meter the difference in the hight in the line will be 50% in deference, but in meters hardly anything.

for me any upright rod is a shock absorber to take or release tention on the line and if you straight stick..........you got less feeling as to what is happening at the end of the line.

guys I am not trying to be difficult, I always take advice from anyone but will always analyse it and if it does not make sense to me in a practical sense not use it.........has it not become part of the show when fighting a big fish, like the guys running up and down the beach for no reason.............:op::op:

 

Skrops i agree with you that if the sinker dislodges or breaks off the chance of burning off is minimal.

I do not believe it the height difference that causes burn offs.

If that were the case everyone fishing off high ledges would constantly be burned off.

I try to minimise the tension in the line and only tighten up after the initial run.

 

The defence rests its case.

 

[Mussle Cracker]

one thing everyone has missed out on is sliding a bait when there is cross currents...that will affect your slide and you will not get your bait out and the chances of getting burnt off is huge...they way to solve the problem is (thanks to raymond ESA) one your sinker has set walk up beach about 50m before you slide your bait this will help get your bait to the stopper ring...as to the angle of your rod..each to there own

 

[porkhead]

Now I am lis to go and slide a live shad !!