carp fishing

[CoralReef]

Hi there,

I am not writing this thread to start a fight, or to be in anyway nasty, or to try and step on ANYONE'S toes! Or to be bring a specific angler(s) or any type of angling down.

I simple write this, because, after reading PLENTY of threads on Sealine, I find a tendency.... actually in SA in generalk.

Generaly there is this "issue" between specimen carp angling and conventional carp angling.
Specimen guys would you like to believe that they care about the fish, the evironment, the eco-systems etc etc, therefor you need all this special gear - landing mats, unhooking mats etc, as well as special end gear, as to do minimun harm to the fish. Where I agree 100%

But does this now mean, that the guy who is the "pap gooier" and does not have all this gear in his arsenal, does not care about the fish, or that he disregard the environment?

And does that mean that the smaller carp say of 2kg, does not deserve the same respect of a carp of say 10kg?

As there is specimen carp anglers that cares for the fish, the environment, the eco-system etc, sure as well there are the same anglers that is "pap gooiers" that care about it just as much. Surely?

It seems to me that the distinguishment between the two types arise 80% on the fact that the specimen angler care more about the fish and the surroundings.

Just because he catches bigger fish? What then do you call the angler that concentrate on big catfish versus the angler that catches the smaller catfish? Is he now also n specimen catfish angler?? And why is there not that distinguishment aswell???

Where are all the specimen gear to tackle big catfish, like landing mats, unhooking mats etc..???? All the same gear to minimise damage to the fish?

Like a few threads states on SL: A lot of time it is the angler that gets caught by all the dips and doepas and not the fish.

Who says it is not the same with specimen angling? If I look at some of the outragious prices of specimen gear.... I start to wonder......

And in the end.... who is laughing all the way to the bank...?

Yes, I agree that you need "stonger" gear to be able to handle bigger, heavier fish.... but WHY is all the rest, as I see it, nice-to-haves, items necessary?

If I catch a 15kg carp on my "pap gooi" tackle, and I SAFELY land the carp, take a photo, and SAFELY release it back in the water, am I now a person that doesn't care?

Yes I also know that you have to feed and present the bait differently so that the bigger carp are intrested, and that the smaller ones don't bother you.... but all that other stuff... really????????

yes yes, I KNOW that some of you reading this, calls me all sorts of words, that is probably not even in the HAT, that is you right.

But does that not also proof my point that the specimen carp anlger is a bit "windgat" and has this "air" around him?

Just wondering....

Stywe lyne to ALL types of anglers.

 

[moffett]

I'm a species angler if you can call it that, I like to catch any species of fish, want to try catch as much defferant species as n can in my life and I try to take care of the fish as far as I can. I'm support you on your thread, it does not matter if you're a speciman angler or a pap gooi angler or whatever, we're all anglers, one just likes one type of angling more than another type just as long as all of us tkae care of the fish and put it back safely in the water even if its a small 150g fish. Just my point of view

Lekker hengel!

 

[Alien Invader]

A lot of this happening recently,,, however, I have carefully been reading a lot the posts and have found that a few of the "self proclaimed" specimen guys dont actually have a clue with regards to environment issues. I my opinion it's a case of monkey see and monkey try do... lol! Sadly, this very small group seem to be a lot more vocal than the others giving the impression than most/all are full of them selves... That said, we have a few guys here very passionate about this topic but do not allow themselves to get involved in mud slinging and name calling..
On the other side of the fence, we have conventional pap-gooiers, also a good bunch of guys, however they also have there fair share of old school "123" fisherman intent on stirring the pot. Each to his own I suppose... I try not use the same brush if you know what I mean?

 

[Kosie]

The problem is actualy very simple. People tend to confuse A papgooier with A damduiker. You get papgooiers and spiceman anglers that fall into the damduiker catagory and you get bothe that do not. Damduikers are the problem no one else. They are the guys who kill big fish, get drunk as fuc ,playing mysic for the whole dam, make a mess of the place and have problems withall the anglers around them and stuffing up everyones fishing trip, throwing over everyones lines , fishing on your spot ect. And worst is some venues even gets closed because of them. Problem is that most of these idiots use papgooi type setups when fishing cause its USUALY NOT ALLWAYS!!! cheaper cause they dont care too much what they use cause they arnt there for fishing but for partying. Problem is that people then confuse damduikers with papgooiers and also some think that "spiceman" anglers cant be damduikers. I respect papgooiers and spiceman anglers but damduikers should be removed totally from fishing venues. We dont go and fish in the pubs so they shouldnt come suip at the dam. If you spend thousands on A fishing trip you dont like it spoiled. In general (and I might get some flack for saying this) speciman anglers agree that less small fish means more big fish and will be happy if some venues have less small fish. So these oaks who likes to complain about A 3kg carp being landed with a cheap landing net only makes me wonder. The papgooiers on the other hand usually preferr more smaller fish. Problem is we have A couple of venues with millions of small fish for everyone but only A handfull of venues with less but bigger fish. It is with these venues that I agree that papgooiers should either use the correct safe gear or rather go to a "papgooi" venue where they can use their 5lb line and "death rigs" hehe. Some guys just for some reason dont understand the difference between A 5kg and a 15kg carp. There are millions of 5 kg fish and not too big a deal when one dies. But a 15 or 20kg is a whole different story all together, there are not millions of them. Can go on all night and there are plenty of other important issues but im sure you get the just of it.