Braid to Leader Connection

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Mr J

Senior Member
Guys please help. Was experimenting with Braid in Rock and Surf conditions for edibles.

Braid 0.26mm Kingfisher.

Leader: 0.65mm Kingfisher

1st Cast: Tied Spider hitch on braid and used Yucatan Knot with 6 loops on leader to braid and 15 loops on braid to leader.

2nd Cast: Tied Spider hitch on braid and used double uni Knot with 6 loops on leader to braid and 15 loops on braid to leader.

On both occassions I came out with just spider hitch on the braid. I decided that I had fed Neptune enough for one day, end of fishing trip packed up and left. Just as well, as the conditions were starting to get crappy.

Question: What is it that I have done wrong? and are there certain preferred knots for certain combinations of braid and leader as far as their diameters go?

PS: I have had a look in the knot section and Reefman I think recommends a 7 wrap uni with a 3 wrap figure 8. This will be my next port of call, is this suitable for this application?                                                                                                                    I use the Spider hitch & Yucatan Knot for my braided light tackle river set up quite succcessfully and have had no probs at all.

Thanks

 

 

 
 
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aquadementia

Sealiner
I tie 50lb whiplash to .65 & .70 leaders with the basic bimini to double figure 8 and that works hundreds. Caught a +- 60kg shark on that the other day. Keep to the simple stuff, it usually works best
 
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Mr J

Senior Member
@ AD: Thanks. and that would also be twice the no. of loops when tying braid onto leader when using the Figure 8?

Shot.
 
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RedEye

Senior Member
As per Craig Thomassen of Inside angling who has caught some serious fish with this setup:

I use a back to back uni-knot ( figure eight) when joining braid to nylon or fluorocarbon leader. I have found this to work 100 percent well. The main thing to remember is that with braid slipping so much more than nylon in knots you always do double the number of turns in the braid knot. Therefore the uni-knot on the leader side has 3 turns and on the braid side six or even seven turns.

When doing a bimini twist with braid I do 50 turns. Another knot that is popular for joining braid to a leader is called the French knot. It involves doubling your braid, either with a bimini twist or a spider hitch, then twisting the double line anound the leader about eight or nine times, then take the end of the loop back and pop it over the end of the leader that you started on, pull it all up and it comes out looking much like an Albright knot.
 
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1309sg

Senior Member
I also use the bimin on the braid and then the yucutan on the braid to leader. What I have found is that the leader should not be more than double the diameter of the braid. Also that care should be taken when tightening the yucutan, otherwise the leader tends to pull straught before the knot is really tight, causing the winds of the yucutan to slip over back onto the braid, causing slipping.

my 2c (Zim cents..LMAO)
 
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RedEye

Senior Member
I must also say that Mark's "ESA" stitch knot is a good alternative to the bimini should you have the diameter in your braid to work with.
 
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Reefman

Sealiner
RedEye wrote:
Reefman wrote:
RedEye wrote:
As per Craig Thomassen of Inside angling who has caught some serious fish with this setup:

popular for joining braid to a leader is called the French knot.
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The French knot's proper/other name is the Yucatan knot.
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Correct, found this: http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtechniques/fishing_knots/knots_yucatan.html



 
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Redeye... you do know about Sealine's Knot section? Our pics are MUCH better!! LOL! hAHahaha

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_forum.php?id=44
 
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Chris Shelton

Sealiner
RedEye wrote:
As per Craig Thomassen of Inside angling who has caught some serious fish with this setup:

I use a back to back uni-knot ( figure eight) when joining braid to nylon or fluorocarbon leader. I have found this to work 100 percent well. The main thing to remember is that with braid slipping so much more than nylon in knots you always do double the number of turns in the braid knot. Therefore the uni-knot on the leader side has 3 turns and on the braid side six or even seven turns.

When doing a bimini twist with braid I do 50 turns. Another knot that is popular for joining braid to a leader is called the French knot. It involves doubling your braid, either with a bimini twist or a spider hitch, then twisting the double line anound the leader about eight or nine times, then take the end of the loop back and pop it over the end of the leader that you started on, pull it all up and it comes out looking much like an Albright knot.
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yep, that's one I can vouch for, works like a charm!
 
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roland

Sealiner
i use the spyker (nicky lourens) knot or the Albright knot. none have failed me yet. the others to difficult for me haha
 
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Chris Shelton

Sealiner
but Roland....with your ultra light tackle and microscopic line, isn't the Spyker knot a bit of an overkill? Surely super glue would suffice? ;)
 
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Sailfish

Sealiner
I fish only light line up to .40. I never make a bernini to create a loop for fixing my leader to. This is what i do to get a nonslip dubble line and has yet to fail me.

I take the mainline and make a 3turn fig 8 on its own with aprox. 30cm from the tip of the tag end. After i have the 3 turns i push the tagend throug the 3 loops from the reel side and get a loop and bring it back throug the 3 turn fig 8. Then i tighten it round the two lines inside the 3 loop fig 8. Now i take the tag end and make a normal fig 8 round my mainline closest to the reel and tighten. Pul on the loop and walla. Good sollid nonslip loop with a super small knot.  Not so good with drawing but i gave it a go. Hope you can fig this one out. Works super for braid.
 

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eviltoy

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I personally use the esa method of tying a piece of mono between the braid and leader. I use bimini on the braid to yucanthingy knot to the mono the just join the leader to the mono with the usual mono to mono knot (dunno wat its called) works awesome caught 4 leeries over 4 days hundreds of casts and pulls with no failures. Oh roland caught my pb leerie of 8kg on 5kg braid with 20lb leader on 7ft elbe interceptor and penn accord 4000 :p
 
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bradles

Member
I have found the Yucatan knot to come undone after multiple casts.

The knot gets knocked around while going through the guides causing it to loose tension
 
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1309sg

Senior Member
Sailfish wrote:
I fish only light line up to .40. I never make a bernini to create a loop for fixing my leader to. This is what i do to get a nonslip dubble line and has yet to fail me.

I take the mainline and make a 3turn fig 8 on its own with aprox. 30cm from the tip of the tag end. After i have the 3 turns i push the tagend throug the 3 loops from the reel side and get a loop and bring it back throug the 3 turn fig 8. Then i tighten it round the two lines inside the 3 loop fig 8. Now i take the tag end and make a normal fig 8 round my mainline closest to the reel and tighten. Pul on the loop and walla. Good sollid nonslip loop with a super small knot.  Not so good with drawing but i gave it a go. Hope you can fig this one out. Works super for braid.
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That sounds pretty good Sailfish. Have you tested it, ie % of breaking strain? It should be damn close to 100%!
 
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neilg

Sealiner
Mr J

I use Berkley Fireline 30lb loaded on a Shimano 20/40.

I create a double with either a bimini or a spiderhitch and then connect to leader with either Fig 8/Uni or Yucatan. 5 Turn Surgeons knot also works well !

Haven't failed me yet.

Like said, more turns on the braid side, make sure you set the knots on both sides PROPERLY, and remember to leave a little tag on both sides.

Are you using kingfisher casting braid for your application or the kingfisher braid that we are using for backing on our reels ? I would suggest the Casting braid over the "performance braid" for scratching.

Casting braids (in General) tie better than the "backing" braids
 
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Sailfish

Sealiner
1309sg wrote:
Sailfish wrote:
I fish only light line up to .40. I never make a bernini to create a loop for fixing my leader to. This is what i do to get a nonslip dubble line and has yet to fail me.

I take the mainline and make a 3turn fig 8 on its own with aprox. 30cm from the tip of the tag end. After i have the 3 turns i push the tagend throug the 3 loops from the reel side and get a loop and bring it back throug the 3 turn fig 8. Then i tighten it round the two lines inside the 3 loop fig 8. Now i take the tag end and make a normal fig 8 round my mainline closest to the reel and tighten. Pul on the loop and walla. Good sollid nonslip loop with a super small knot.  Not so good with drawing but i gave it a go. Hope you can fig this one out. Works super for braid.
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That sounds pretty good Sailfish. Have you tested it, ie % of breaking strain? It should be damn close to 100%!
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Ek toets sommer die goed op vis. Miskien kan iemand hier dit maak en toets wat weet hoe. Trophy , Reefman, Enigma???
 
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