BRAID LEADER STEP?

[avo]

CAN one step a braid leader like on the freshwater side..

i get a lot of line wraps with by 40lbs braid onto a 120lbs leader. issue would be the the difference in diameters between the two. could i insert a lets say 40cm piece of 80lbs leader ? have not heard or seen anybody do this before..

 

[Dr halibut hoffman]

Ja people do this, quite a bit of discussion here and he other forum about it.. Steenie has posted quite a bit about it. You can stitch or FG the braid to braid depending on how much time you have and how strong you want or need it..FG works well!

Why such light braid to such heavy leader? If you need a 1mm leader, is 40lb braid too light? What kind of fishing? Purely curious here..
Maybe the others pipe in, I'm hardly using the braid these days..

 

[avo]

its purely for casting distance but you still need the protection of a thicker leader should a larger fish of ray or shark pick up your bait.

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

avo wrote:

CAN one step a braid leader like on the freshwater side..

i get a lot of line wraps with by 40lbs braid onto a 120lbs leader. issue would be the the difference in diameters between the two. could i insert a lets say 40cm piece of 80lbs leader ? have not heard or seen anybody do this before..

My personal opinion, I wouldn't. I'd rather sort the issue out by getting the line capacity sorted on the reel. Also would look at the line lay (tapering is a known issue as well). I fish 50lb to 220lb braid leader and have no issues which is a much bigger jump. I also fish 40lb to 120 and am yet to experience an issue. I use PR knot but have also had success with back to back uni and FG knot.

Less knots less problems...

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

Also check your leader length, too many wraps on the spool can be a problem. 3 wraps are perfect but 5 isn't a big problem, that's where I start, and as I change traces it trims down to 3 and sometimes even 2 wraps.

 

[mongie]

Ek gebruik ook dieselfde kombinasie van braid.Ek dink jou sinker is te lig. Ek het nog geen probleme met my kombinasie nie.

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

mongie wrote:

Ek gebruik ook dieselfde kombinasie van braid.Ek dink jou sinker is te lig. Ek het nog geen probleme met my kombinasie nie.

Thats great advice, something that is often forgotten!

 

[Enigma]

Ditto on Craig's advice.

Check your spooling and thickness

Also what rod are you using, guide layout and guide type could be the cause.

I am inclined to agree that step from 40-150lbs will not be an issue and stepping won't change the WRAPPING of braid on the guides

Making the Leaders longer works just as well as stepping and there are less knots to worry about as well

 

[avo]

MAKAIRA 14.6 ROD with azores 80.

so dont think the issue is there, i use the fg knot.
will go down to 2 wraps and see if that helps.
Leader is always shorter than twice the length of the rod.
sinker issue, maybe, but a chokka bait with 6 oz should not be too light for the rod.
i have also had the same issue while just casting a 8 oz lead. 2 or 3 casts and then snap.


thank you for the advise

 

[Enigma]

That all sounds fine.
You can rather go longer than shorter on the leader but from what you explain I would think it is almost certainly an overfilled reel....

if you can post a pic of the spool. From close so we can see where the line is filled to in relation to the lip of the spool.

If that is not the issue I find that guys wrapping the braid are jerking the end of the cast and not following through with the rod as the cast is made

 

[avo]

think the issue is more with my casting .
like mentioned a jerk and not a clean follow thru.

reel has a good .05mm to 1mm clearance to the lip.

 

[Enigma]

You'd be surprised with changing it from 0.5mm to 1mm as to how much of a difference it makes, even when maintaining the same casting action.

 

[Enigma]

Many reels have the sloped lip on the reel. This actually draws air in under the braid lifting it from the spool in the cast. Now if you take a Dogfight/Stella/Saragossa and fill the reel to where the slope begins, which is manufacturer's instruction your braid will be filled to 2-3mm inside the actual lip of the spool.

 

[Enigma]

These pics are from Henry Gilbey's blog and site and he is one of the trend setters in Eu in terms of surf spinning and plugging

 

[Enigma]

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[Craig Van der Poll]

I also place the knot at the base of the spool when casting(no leader wraps under the leader knot), it just means taking a bit of care when setting the reel up to cast.

6oz and a chokka bait sounds too light for that rod. I throw a medium size mackie and a 7oz on my 7-9oz Makaira. with the smaller baits I go up to an 8oz and with bigger baits I often go down to 6oz.

 

[Enigma]

Yes even though it is rated 6-8oz that is 6-8oz with a Bait and a 6oz with a yellowtail head or Mackie bomb works very well. it does a 6oz with small bait but the sinker should then almost hang below the bottom eye so you can wind it up.

I've cast a 9oz with a 7oz clipped to it when testing (not recommended but we did do it)

I think Craig has hit the nail on the head here.

The rod is very fast for a 6oz and small bait and the effects would be EXAGGERATED with a Jerky type of cast.

 

[avo]

thanks to all who gave advise here, some very good info shared.

it makes a bit more sense as it always felt better casting the same size bait with a bigger size sinker.

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

Enigma wrote:

Yes even though it is rated 6-8oz that is 6-8oz with a Bait and a 6oz with a yellowtail head or Mackie bomb works very well. it does a 6oz with small bait but the sinker should then almost hang below the bottom eye so you can wind it up.

I've cast a 9oz with a 7oz clipped to it when testing (not recommended but we did do it)

I think Craig has hit the nail on the head here.

The rod is very fast for a 6oz and small bait and the effects would be EXAGGERATED with a Jerky type of cast.

Thanks Enigma,

yes I find the action is very different to say an old HMG and Multiplier, still my favourite!

I find it is the opposite for me as to the multiplier setup. it used to be be bigger bait means bigger sinker, now it is bigger bait equals smaller sinker.