Hi Guys, I was informed by our club safety officer that my boyency certificate is not valid any more. My boat is one year old and now I have to cut holes in the deck for inspection hatches to take pics off the bottles and foam. The manufacturers boyency certificate is no longer good enough. All the guys in our club is up in arms about this. According to the safety officer SAMSA has again changed the requirements. Can anyone please shed some light on this for me. I think it is BULLSH@T and just a way of squeesing some more money out of us.
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Well no one can be more livid than myself as ive paid for a boyancy certificate late last year or early this year and like Mieliepit says its no longer valid. My argument is that it was valid and now because samsa says the laws have changed us boat owners now have to pay again what a lot of bull. I wonder if these laws have been passed or gazetted like the gun licences which was all alot of nonsense???? the other question is why do we only know about this now as far as im concerned there has been nothing published in the media or in any of our magazines !!!! maybe the boat owners should stand together on this one and do some sort of petition. As far as im concerned samsa is takeing everybody for a fat ride!! every few months there is something new. First bottles was okay for boyancy then oh no must be foam then oh no the bottles must be foam filled holy crap now your boat must be weighed and oh sh!!!7 the guy who done your boyancy is no longer alowed to so you have to pay agai n for another boyancy. In my personal oppinion (and people can say what they want) this is another money making racket .Im realy pissed off about this as the authorities just say jump and we have to say how high!!!! BS!!!
kyk n bietjie hier.
weet nie waaroor die bohaai gaan nie, want geen nuwe kennisgewings is uitgereik nie, van die laaste een
http://www.samsa.org.za/marine-notices en dan die oor boyency:
http://www.samsa.org.za/sites/samsa.org.za/files/MN%208%20of%202012.pdf
voldoen aan die, en daar behoort geen probleme te wees nie
weet nie waaroor die bohaai gaan nie, want geen nuwe kennisgewings is uitgereik nie, van die laaste een
http://www.samsa.org.za/marine-notices en dan die oor boyency:
http://www.samsa.org.za/sites/samsa.org.za/files/MN%208%20of%202012.pdf
voldoen aan die, en daar behoort geen probleme te wees nie
I have read the links that sea sick posted and have spoken to Peter who built my boat. I have to get the new boyency cartificate with the pictures of the boat etc. The thing that PI@@IS me off is the fact that they keep changing the rules. Last year the manufacturers certificate was still good for 10 years but now all of a suden it has to be the new certificate wich is only valid for 5 years. Where is it going to stop? Who says they will not change their requirements again next year? It looks to me as if SAMSA is very unorganised.
fishfisher
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Mielie that is very strange, we did my Dads COF last weekend and he had the bouyancy certificate from Millards and the safety officer didnt say anything about that.
Problem is that I dont have pictures of the boat on my boyency certificate and it is not 100% as the example that SAMSA has on their website. Aparently that is a problem. Here is a copy of my boyency certificate, now realy I can not see why this is not enough. Maybe I am just hadegat but things like this pi@@es me off big time. I want to enjoy my boat, not battle with papers and crap everytime some SAMSA dude changes his mind.
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fishystory
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The big problem a lot of club and shop have is that where your survey is not being done by a SAMSA official who has to stay ontop of what SAMSA wants, as in with clubs where hte safety officer does the survey, is that tehy lend their ears out to the world, they hear something somewher about SAMSA now wanting this , or that, and instead of finding out exactly what is what, they listen to some story they heard at the clup pub, and decide that it is easier to adhear to the new law they heard of, instead of running the risk of doing something that might not be what SAMSA now want.
Also the surveyors are now trying to cover their arses so that should anything go wrong, no one can point finger, so now they also make laws up as they go in order to ensure that nothing can be pointed back at them.
SAMSA in short have put so many regulations in place, and also scared they guys that have to enforce the laws of SAMSA so much , that they put their own spin on things, so we as boat users end up with so much schlep , and costs, that you feel like dropping your boat off at the nearest dealer, and shopping for a friend with a boat.
We can all just hope that SAMSA see the error of their ways, and make boating easier for us.
P.S. have you guys seen the new 13page ducument that SAMSA requires you to fill in and sign every time you have your boat surveyd
Also the surveyors are now trying to cover their arses so that should anything go wrong, no one can point finger, so now they also make laws up as they go in order to ensure that nothing can be pointed back at them.
SAMSA in short have put so many regulations in place, and also scared they guys that have to enforce the laws of SAMSA so much , that they put their own spin on things, so we as boat users end up with so much schlep , and costs, that you feel like dropping your boat off at the nearest dealer, and shopping for a friend with a boat.
We can all just hope that SAMSA see the error of their ways, and make boating easier for us.
P.S. have you guys seen the new 13page ducument that SAMSA requires you to fill in and sign every time you have your boat surveyd
ek het my boot 3 weke terug geservey. ek het n week lank gesukkel om my buoyency reg te kry. die hele bohaai gaan oor dat jou boot gelyk in die water moet dryf wanneer dit omgedop het.om net bottels in te sit is nie meer geldig nie, want daar moet meer op die agterkant gekonsentreer word as die res van die boot.die enigste manier om min of meer veilig te wees is om skuim in te sit en dan sodoende 100% buoyency te he.moes ook n nuwe sertifikaat kry. maar nou het ek dit.
Actually I didn't do anything. I was almost caught out by what I think was someone that tried to shaft me for his own pocket. I had my boyency changed to the new format free of charge thanks to the guys that built my boat. Everything is according to SAMSA regulations so it was easy to organise it. I am also going to keep my SR number and I am not going to change to a new boat inspector. I am going to stay with Benoni Camping and boating. They have always given me excellent service. All I can say here is stay with a reputable place that does your COF and boyensy.
glad it has been sorted
i too would like to get a bouency certificate for my boat.
had a look over the weekend at a guy doing bouency from his plot.
some questions asked and was sure i knew more what is required then what this guy did.
is there a foam like rx 122 ???????
do a search,
yes, rx 121 etc, but not rx 122.
and strangely enough, he does bouency and a lady issues the certificate.
he is also very cheap, maybe too cheap. why cant i be given a off cut of the foam that he normally uses. he stays on a plot and surely, somewhere there should be a piece lying around.
further more, SAMSA notice clearly states about dead weight etc.
how can a certificate be issued, without the knowledge of motors, dead weight etc.
a big snake in the grass somewhere i feel.
i have calculated all that i need etc, doing the foam is no problem, closing the deck is no problem, but getting the certificate issued is my problem
seems like im gonna fork out some RRRRRRRRRR and get it done properly by Nigel Boat and Camping.
at least i know the people there, not a bunch of skelms. and at the end of the day done properly first time round.
any of you know, of someone reputable, that will issue a certificate, where i have done all the work.
laat weet asb
thanks
i too would like to get a bouency certificate for my boat.
had a look over the weekend at a guy doing bouency from his plot.
some questions asked and was sure i knew more what is required then what this guy did.
is there a foam like rx 122 ???????
do a search,
yes, rx 121 etc, but not rx 122.
and strangely enough, he does bouency and a lady issues the certificate.
he is also very cheap, maybe too cheap. why cant i be given a off cut of the foam that he normally uses. he stays on a plot and surely, somewhere there should be a piece lying around.
further more, SAMSA notice clearly states about dead weight etc.
how can a certificate be issued, without the knowledge of motors, dead weight etc.
a big snake in the grass somewhere i feel.
i have calculated all that i need etc, doing the foam is no problem, closing the deck is no problem, but getting the certificate issued is my problem
seems like im gonna fork out some RRRRRRRRRR and get it done properly by Nigel Boat and Camping.
at least i know the people there, not a bunch of skelms. and at the end of the day done properly first time round.
any of you know, of someone reputable, that will issue a certificate, where i have done all the work.
laat weet asb
thanks
See siek, as jy foto's het van wat jy gedoen het kan jy dit saam aanbied, so ook jou berekeninge en kortliks wat jy gedoen het.
Jy gaan na 'n poelies stasie toe en le 'n beedigde verklaring af van hoeveel flotasie jy daar ingebou het. Hulle kan jou nie weier nie, jy neem die verantwoordelikheid op jouself.
Jy gaan na 'n poelies stasie toe en le 'n beedigde verklaring af van hoeveel flotasie jy daar ingebou het. Hulle kan jou nie weier nie, jy neem die verantwoordelikheid op jouself.
fanie
eks nog besig met alles
het reeds foto's en alle voor bereidings is reeds gedoen.
dis nou net van foam gooi en die deck toe maak.
sal ook foto's kan neem soos mens foam gooi.
die probleem is, wie gaan die sertifikaat uit reik.
of moet ek eerder vra: ken julle iemand wat wel die sertifikaat sal uitreik.
dit gaan nie hier oor short cuts nie.
het nie verniet 4 dae my gat af geskuur.
die romp het twee lae vesel glas bygekry en is behoorlik geseel onder.
alles is in plek soos reeds gese is.
eks nog besig met alles
het reeds foto's en alle voor bereidings is reeds gedoen.
dis nou net van foam gooi en die deck toe maak.
sal ook foto's kan neem soos mens foam gooi.
die probleem is, wie gaan die sertifikaat uit reik.
of moet ek eerder vra: ken julle iemand wat wel die sertifikaat sal uitreik.
dit gaan nie hier oor short cuts nie.
het nie verniet 4 dae my gat af geskuur.
die romp het twee lae vesel glas bygekry en is behoorlik geseel onder.
alles is in plek soos reeds gese is.
Sea sick you must be very carefull who does your boyency. I am almost 100% sure that you can not do the affidavid at the police station anymore. SAMSA has changed their rules and you can not get a COF with that anymore. You will have to find out from SAMSA what they require. Phone Benoni Camping and boating and speak to Zelda. She is very helpfull and knows all the rules and regulations.
mieliepit
thanks for the input.
have all t's crossed and i dotted.
yip not taking chances here.
just deciding who, when and where.
the facts are straight forward. as set out in marine notice 13.
i would like to do it myself, julle weet mos nou al teen die tyd dat ekke n handige man is.
weet dat ek alles reg sal doen, ek soek net iemand wat n sertifikaat sal uit reik.
dis niks om die specs neer te sit op papier en die bewayse voor te le ensomeer.
thanks for the input.
have all t's crossed and i dotted.
yip not taking chances here.
just deciding who, when and where.
the facts are straight forward. as set out in marine notice 13.
i would like to do it myself, julle weet mos nou al teen die tyd dat ekke n handige man is.
weet dat ek alles reg sal doen, ek soek net iemand wat n sertifikaat sal uit reik.
dis niks om die specs neer te sit op papier en die bewayse voor te le ensomeer.