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zmahomedy

New member
Hi,

First time boat buyer from Durban and need some advice.

Goals: Starting off getting a CAT C rating and doing some offshore fishing with a rating of 7 people. Once I am more experienced I would like to get the same boat a
CAT B rating. I am on a budget and looking to keep it under 80K.

Would something like this work? I am thinking a cat hull because I heard its more stable than a monohull.

http://www.natalpowerboats.co.za/products/index.php?type=2&branchId=1&id=7&prodId=1304&method=viewProd



what do you think and what advice will you give
thanks in advance

zak
 
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Fishing Meister

New member
Hey Zak

It basically works out at 1 person on board per meter of boat so if you looking at 7 people you would need a 23 foot boat. I'm not an expert but you should look at an older butt catt then. Remember to take into account towing your 23foot boat too.
 
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zmahomedy

New member
thanks for the reply

regarding towing,
what kind of car will be needed to tow, dock and undock into a slip. I have Toyota camery.

a)
cat 18ft.

b)
cat 20-23 ft.
 
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Fishing Meister

New member
I think you may struggle with even an 18foot with the camry on a slip way. Even though the capacity may be up to the task, without diff lock you could battle.

What i found before is that the slipway becomes slippery with growth so your 2 wheels end up sliping and dragging you backwards / sideways whilst your wheels spin.

Is the camry front wheel or back wheel drive. You will defuinitely have a problem if its front wheel drive.

As a personal rule, i also will not tow anything that weighs more than the tow vehicle. IE if your car weighs 1 ton then i would not tow anything near 1 ton behind it. Thats not law as its calculated by GVM and TARE, Its just my personal opinion.

I think you will find that you are going to need a car and a boat.
 
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tkei

Sealiner
a boat for 7 people is a big boat. Although we have a 6.2m (21ft butt cat) the optimum number is still 4 for bottom fishing and 5 if trolling. trolling can do 6 but tis a bit tight. for 7 people you will be over 7m and in ski boat terms that is a very big boat.
Forget towing anything that can take 7 with a camry. it wont be legal and it will be dangerous and you will hurt the car. you will need a 4x4 andf they all have different ratings for towing. you need tyo match the car to your boat, If its wrong you will be fined and if you crash insurance wont cover you. Even an 18ft boat will need a 4x4 or at min a double cab/ suv/ bakkie to tow it.
The type all depends ont eh rating, in SUV the Discovery 3/4 or land cruiser are tops. Bakkies its Navara. The fortuna and hilux are quite low rated for some rerason. you ned to reserch a bit more, but you will need to uipgrade.
 
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benniejordaan

Sealiner
7 people...

Before you even buy the boat, look for a Discovery or a Land Cruiser 100 min. Even a new Prado will not tow a boat in this class. 7m is a big boat. Talking 23 foot. Loaded you are upto 3000-3500 kg depending what boat.
 
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benniejordaan

Sealiner
tkei wrote:
a boat for 7 people is a big boat. Although we have a 6.2m (21ft butt cat) the optimum number is still 4 for bottom fishing and 5 if trolling. trolling can do 6 but tis a bit tight. for 7 people you will be over 7m and in ski boat terms that is a very big boat.
Forget towing anything that can take 7 with a camry. it wont be legal and it will be dangerous and you will hurt the car. you will need a 4x4 andf they all have different ratings for towing. you need tyo match the car to your boat, If its wrong you will be fined and if you crash insurance wont cover you. Even an 18ft boat will need a 4x4 or at min a double cab/ suv/ bakkie to tow it.
The type all depends ont eh rating, in SUV the Discovery 3/4 or land cruiser are tops. Bakkies its Navara. The fortuna and hilux are quite low rated for some rerason. you ned to reserch a bit more, but you will need to uipgrade.
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You need to come to Durban harbour. There is certain crowds that make a boat look like a small cane plantation in the middle of the bay!
 
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zmahomedy

New member
You need to come to Durban harbour. There is certain crowds that make a boat look like a small cane plantation in the middle of the bay!
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LOL..

I will probably start off with a 18ft and grow into something bigger later on.

Are moorings easily available to rent?

thanks for all the info
 
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benniejordaan

Sealiner
zmahomedy wrote:
You need to come to Durban harbour. There is certain crowds that make a boat look like a small cane plantation in the middle of the bay!
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LOL..

I will probably start off with a 18ft and grow into something bigger later on.

Are moorings easily available to rent?

thanks for all the info
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Not for a small boats. Work on around R3000 per month to rent a mooring.... if you find one!

You still need a proper tow vehicle, get a 4x4 before you even buy a boat. When the slip is wet and green you will battle.
 
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zmahomedy

New member
Another question: Age of the hull

Most most that are falling in my price range are at least 10 years old. What areas of concern should I look out for regarding the hull and motors

zak
 
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zmahomedy

New member
Another question: Age of the boat

Most most that are falling in my price range are at least 10 years old. What areas of concern should I look out for regarding the hull and motors

zak
 
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zmahomedy

New member
Hi

been looking around on the web and I came across 3 boats that might work for me. over time i would like to add more deep sea equipment like outriggers etc
any insight on these boats?

http://www.peterswatersports.co.za/product_detail.php?product_code=TMC005

this one seems to have alot of extras bigger boat ( not sure year the boat is )

vs
http://www.peterswatersports.co.za/product_detail.php?product_code=SKI324

smaller boat more expensive
vs

http://www.peterswatersports.co.za/product_detail.php?product_code=SKI220
 
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Nikao

New member
Hi Zmahomedy..

Bennie is write get a 4x4 first then the boat. Moorings are not easy to come by and are expensive. as for the boats you found the Tom cat is for the hull only it has no motors or trailer, you are going to ad another 200k to that price at least, the Ocean cat is the same also the hull only- as for the Trim craft i am not to familiar with them so can't give any advise there..

As for your Skippers i would advise you go do your Cat B rather than your Cat C as it allows you to go out to 40Nm and operate at night as apposed to a cat c which limits you to 15NM with out a night rating

My 2c
 
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CRUSTY

New member
Hi Zak,

Owning ones own boat is great, you get to rule the roost and control whats happening, where you fishing what for and so on.

But with this great power comes even more resposibility! Remember your responsible for everyone on board! And the more people the more hassles, simply put as skipper the more people on board the less time you spend fishing and the more time baby sitting.

Add to this the greater cost of running the craft, there are always more costs than you expect!

My advice, start small and work your way up as you gain experience knowledge and confidence! 
 
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mouse001

Senior Member
Agree with Crusty well said you are 100% correct.Also most of the time everybody wants to go with but at the end of the trip nobody wants to help with Juice money or cleaning LOL.
 
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zmahomedy

New member
Hey Guys

came across a decent 17ft supercat 520 (2011) with 40hp.
could not find any reviews on the supercats.
Its a center console. Any stability issues? Will 40hp be enough for deepsea ?

any feed back will be great

thanks

zak
 
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zmahomedy

New member
Hey Guys

came across a decent 17ft supercat 520 (2011) with 40hp.
could not find any reviews on the supercats.
Its a center console. Any stability issues? Will 40hp be enough for deepsea ?

any feed back will be great

thanks

zak
 
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miles

Sealiner
BRILLIANT boats!!

The supercat range was copied from the buttcat range. The owner later sold the business and they were then called SUPREME CRAFT. That owner died in a shooting and i have no idea who currently builds them.......

Here's a review done by ski-boat magazine:

http://www.africanangler.com/sb_boat_tests_view.asp?id=90

2x40's are fine for harbour launches. If you intend using the boat for surf launches, 2x50's are better, 2x60's gives IMMENSE power!!

My buddy has one with 2x60hp yamaha's on it. His friend has one with 2x40hp suzuki 4 strokes on and he was VERY impressed with the performance and even more impressed with the fuel economy!!

If you're 3-4 anglers, fishing from a harbour or sheltered launch site, then its fine with 2x40's. Any more crew or big additional weights, rather get one with larger motors.......
 
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BulkCarrier

Sealiner
I might be wrong, but as far as I know the supreme craft/supercat are build by Kamassi these days - http://www.kamassi.com/mainProduct_kamassi.aspx

Think they bought the supercat moulds. It also looks like the KC520 was build on the same hull. Deck a bit different.
 
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